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Has anybody talked to anybody that has had night vision?? How does that function?

Should have added brighteners to the list on detergents.

The science of how a deer sees has been around to my knowledge since the 60's - 70's. At first they thought that deer just seen in shades of black, whites, and greys. Then in the 80's and early 90's the researchers discovered that the deer had different rods and cones structure then previously believed and could see UV light shades. Then certain types of soaps and camo (dyes) was developed to help camo. This is just a little more advanced of the evolution of deer sight science. As technology increases so does the aspects of determining just possibly what a deer really sees. I know I don't use any type of colorfast detergents on my hunting clothes. I have seen on occasion, "no way they seen me", like standing in a tree stand 18 feet up (occasional stand) like a statue in a pine with cover and be 45 yards away and through thicker pine branches with 15 mph winds from them to me look right at me and turn and head back the way they came. I am not sure, but I am not a scientist either.

Is the bow set for your draw length? Instead of trying to deal with the doewacker's settings (good donation). If the draw length is to long then the break point will be off as well as peep and such. Get the arrows cut for your length. Make sure the fletching is good. Blazers should work fine. That's a pretty fancy sight for just starting. The two pins will be fine that you have. Basically have you RESET the bow for your dimensions? If that is an older bow then the arrows should be fine especially if you have to shorten them. That bow with those arrows should be able to utilize two pins to 30 yards, probably a 16 and a 26 yard settings with holding on the shoulder blade at 30. Don't go to much over 15' in stand height. Pick a spot on the deer like a tuft of hair or certain rib or vision an apple or one of those little orange sticky bulleyes in the V. Coonhunter had a good suggestion to get the bow set up for your own person from a pro shop or somebody in the area that can do those few minor settings adjustments if need be. Somebody might have a bow press and arrow saw in your area and if they do could help you a bit. It sounds like with your enthusiasm that you need a fletching jig and vanes instead of the sight.

A 50 lb recurve with a cedar arrow and a SHARP bear razor will have a complete pass through on a broadside deer at 25 yds if just hitting hair, green rib, and lung are hit. A 70 lb compound with a 550+ gr arrow will smash the heavy bones of the scapula and humerus section and get into the boiler room from a frontal quartering shot at that range but not necessarily have a complete pass through. Where as the lighter bows with lighter faster arrows can have more resistance to penetration from various aspects. Accuracy comes with trajectory, judging range, speed, composure in hunting situations forms not just on a 3d target range. A truer flight of the arrow will also give better penetration. Did you notice the arrows in the target of the original OP's link. The lungs of a deer are the same size no matter what angling to, away, or broadside the deer is standing without being to extreme on the angle. It is just that lighter weight bows and arrows need to be more specific on the angle of the animal that they are shooting at. That means if in certain situations of hunting such as rattling & grunting or trail watching or scrape watching deer can come in at any angle. These frontal angles only make the target smaller for the lighter bows and/or give a smaller window of time for a non frontal shot. This is an interesting thread. Since my age is in the middle of Doc's and a few of these whipersnappers I will have to give Doc the forum Ishi award to philosophy on said content. You did get a response of good intent here and there. Not condescending, but who do think came up with the newer technologies. That is learning and evolving and not stagnant, though reigns are needed sometimes to. I seen a you tube video the other day where younger hunters were using long bows, recurves, and percussion caps for a late doe season hunt. So interest is still there even though techno jamming music is in a lot of media nowadays. This happens to even experienced older hunters sometimes before the shot maybe not as bad though.

Very interesting concept for debate and exploration in the OP. Jumping the string is a fact in bow hunting. Now the concept of arrow/head noise flight IMO is of deliberate ponderance to the noise coming from the shot to the target as well as bow noise. Bucks are generally not as jittery as wood wise does. They don't have fawns to look after in their lives and can be pretty non chalant within that 50 yard or so range. Like their radar notices things before the 50 yard mark or that is what they are concentrating their alert systems to beyond 50 yards. That would be interesting to see if highly acoustical equipment could be used to test the theory from bow noise to actual arrow flight noise. The best subjects would be does with fawns. There was a difference in sound of the different broadheads. I wonder if different fletching styles would make a difference, or arrow shafts like aluminum or carbon and the coatings or coverings like anodized or wraps.

I think they left the bone in.

For long range it is exceptional, past the 250 yard mark with the proper bullet. That same bullet at 75 yard woods on a raking shot can get a little messy, but if just hitting ribs and lungs meat damage is the same with any other round. You can download it to about 30-06 speeds with a more stout bullet for woods hunting and load it differently for shooting fields, power lines, and clear cuts. It does buck the wind a bit better than most.

Cusehunter, when you processed deer and examined the SST's, did they happen to have bent over tips, where as the tip on one side folded into the hollow point section to close the hollow point to prevent it from opening and mushrooming? I have seen this phenomenon happen a few times with a few plastic tipped bullets and was wondering if the SST's might have the same characteristic as well at times. Back a few years ago I tried them and depending on the lot they were pretty accurate,less than 2" or 3 - 4" groups but I heard that they change something in the loading and haven't checked them out in about 3 years. They look like a decent long range slug.

Try the Federal power shoks or fussions. They might not give the same point blank range as the sst, partition, or rem core lokts but they can be accurate. It basically depends on your gun. You can spend a little chunk of change on seeing what your gun likes when looking for accuracy past a 100 yards, depending on what you are content with, 6" at a 100 yards or less than 2" at a 100 yards.

They are not Ithaca's or older Wingmaster's. They are a decent gun though especially for the price and the combo set is pretty decent. I think there are three barrel combo sets available now with slug, turkey, and long barrel. They can be very versatile shotguns and perform very well in certain formats.

From read say or hear say forum info you need to know if your action is a SB1 or SB2 for compatibility with the barrel and then send it to H&R to have the barrel fitted. Did you ever think about getting a rifled cantilever barrel for the Mossy?