arrowflinger

Comparing a crossbower's "plight" to civil rights.....equalty for all human beings...is beyond stupid. Reality check, dude. :

ROFLMAO You guys are freakin hilarious. Civil rights historians should find you and kick your lame butts. Shameful, really.

So getting crossbows into bowseason for the physically able ( who are just too lazy or too incompetent to do it the right way) is comparable to equal rights for women and minorities? LMFAO. You can't be serious. :

For physically able during bowseason? Pretty much. Let's follow the current analogy. If you petition the gov to turn my Fly Fishing Only section of the river into anything goes....I would consider you an outlaw, trying to claim "respectability" by turning something clearly illegal into something "legal." No difference.

You bet....when they are chucking a rapala in the fly fishing only section of the stream. Follow the rules, you outlaws. >

: You crossbow guys are so divisive. >

Your "contacts at the DEC" : LMFAO.

I have no idea....but that is not important to me. Hunting Fair Chase is important to me....so I obey the rules. ;D

Stating they were unethical is an opinion. Stating that they were breaking the law is a FACT.

I am not so naive to think everyone follows the rules. I am not so jaded to believe that they should not follow the rules.

Except for the road hunters out in Tuscarora. I'd like to believe that most hunters are ethical and law abiding. You will always have some bad apples, as you say.

I can accept the very simple fact that you "don't think there is a hunter alive who hasn't bent the rules to their favor at one time or another." However, what you must accept is the fact that there are many of us who hunt each year who follow the laws to the letter, and would not dream of hunting any other way. Why are you having trouble dealing with that?

I don't want either. It would be far preferable if hunters knew, and followed, the rules without oversight. It is our responsibility to do so. LMAO. You are breaking the law. Illegal always equals unethical. That is a fact....not an opinion.

Lots of lawbreakers out there, friend. Its just a fact of life. Lawbreakers give all hunters a bad name.

Decisions have repercussions. If shooting before or after legal shooting hours means some people will regard you as a poacher.....you should just deal with it. Right?

For you it is a few. Another said less than 10 minutes. Another said 10 minutes is fine. I bet we could find someone who says 15 is OK.

Common sense to me is simply to follow the law.

Yea...its just a few minutes so its not a big deal. So a few minutes more, that shouldn't be a big deal either, right? So at what point does it become a big deal? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? 30?

I agree that the estimate is definitly not accurate....but it is probably relative year to year. The DEC lost huge credibility in their ability to manage the herd back in the 2003 to 2005 timeframe, when they stated that hunters were overreacting when they said there was a significant reduction in the herd. First they said the smaller harvest was due to poor weather on opening weekend. Then they said that seasonal anomolies can happen....it was a fluke, essentially. But it became clear that significant winter kill over 2 seasons, plus the highest DMP allocations in history, had combined to collapse the deer hunting across most of the SZ. 2/3 of the state was below target for BTU.....2/3 of the state. That is piss poor reaction...and piss poor management.

They have to make some assumptions to do so, but they try. The DEC visits butcher shops and records all of the deer there, then calculates the percentage of those hunters who reported their kill. They use this percentage for a statewide assesment of how many deer would have been killed if the reporting percentage was applied to the total. Some of the weaker assumptions might be that all regions reporting percentage would be similar, or that the reporting percentage of those who process their own deer is similar to those who take their deer to get cut up. But its about as good as you can get, I guess.

LOL

They are above the BTO (Buck Take Objective.) The DEC interprets that as meaning the deer population is too high in those areas, and they will increase DMP until they bring it down. On the other hand, we are below the BTO in southern Region 8. Expect the DEC to decrease the DMP again next year as they try to increase the herd size.

Babies

My WMU is still more than 10% below target.

Racist. >