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Kanses males tend to prefer some pretty manly females. At least so I have heard.

Might as well shoot it now. Youve already said its ok to poach based on taking deer outside the legal times.At least the meat can hang for a while.

Creekside?

Just because we have differing views you accuse me of having male menopause? Pretty crummy Grow. You should be ashamed of yourself. Good thing I have my big boy pants on. I suspect if I made some comment to you about your biological clock/system, you'd be in an uproar to the Nth degree, but I digress.

We kept going back and forth on this buck - whether he was 5.5 or maybe 6.5 looking at the range of pics we had of him and neighbors had. Me and Moog have posted him here a few times. He's dead now and was never aged to my knowledge. Fast forward to this season, and a casual conversation led to the buck with a neighbor who hunts a property a solid mile and a half as the crow flies. He was showing me old game camera photos. He never knew what happened to the buck (his pics were pretty young with him, looked pretty clear to be 1.5 and 2.5 respectively in the two seasons he had pics). Turns out he moved into our area. Pics were matched to the ears, the unique frame, and his forehead has a unique color pattern that is pretty clear when you inspect it. That buck based on the math of when the pics were taken, was either 8.5 or 9.5 years old. This picture is actually a regression of the year prior inches-wise. Next door neighbor has pics of him with an easy 20" of added antler, he lost one major tine and had other junk not appear. A rarity here in NY. But, his 1.5 and 2.5 pics...he was an easy 125-130 inch deer at 2.5. Might have even been over 130. Night pic is him year prior.

Too cold for me to want to hunt, that's for sure.

So, the sky is falling because you think me (presumably) and others have what true ideas on hunting? Do tell, so I can understand.

I have a 12 point 1.5 y/o on the wall and quite a few 8 pt 1.5s. Several 2.5s that tape out between 100 and 120", too. I'm in wNY. Such possibilities tend to shrink as one moves east into the capital area. Soil quality, birth date, and available food/shelter impact it all. wNY soil in spots is pretty darn high quality due to the glacial deposits.

Grow as much as I understand you are trying to prove a point, but statisical improbabilities like that don't prove much. It proves that you can get hit by lightening or attacked by a shark, or whatever other oddity in this world may result in one's demise. Same thing with the instructor - he let a girl with a frame that should not have shot that gun. Bad call on his part and he paid a price for it. That one incident got alot of publicity, yet none of the other times when a child is properly supervised shoots a gun without issue. One kid in millions. Statistically, its irrelevant (not the life itself, but the data).

Precisely. Blindly following all laws leads to some pretty bad stuff. 99.999999999999999999999% of laws are reasonable. When they're not reasonable, what is to be done? Pretty clearly, you can't break that law, according to the naysayers here. Yet, Grow admitted to breaking a law/reg, Steve admitted that shooting a deer after legal time wasn't a big deal, and as holier than thou NYAntler and Doc try to imply they haven't, I'm willing to wager they've broken a law/reg, intentionally or not (ignorance is no excuse). Thus, we have people who broke laws or admitted they will break laws poo-pooing those who do admit they've broken some laws (reasonable or not, intentionally or not), that they are going to be the downfall of society, because now they are bad parents. Its OK to break laws you are fine breaking, but break one that involves a deer because it is a pet peeve and that person is the downfall of society. I can't say this enough again, The parent of the article is an asshat. He did wrong. He went really overboard using another's tag, and posting on FB. Bad situation. I think my impression would be slightly different had his son shot the deer, the deer was tagged by dad, and no asshattery was involved. Or, maybe he was trying to start some discussion on it for something he believed in since other states allow the age to hunt. Legally wrong still? Yep. Is he fostering the next Jeffrey Dahlmer? No, I don't think so. Maybe he's raising the next great hunting activist who finds a passion for making hunting better somehow? Can't be, because Steve thinks this kid is destined to be the anti-christ. Would I donate to the guy's crowdfunding? No, but some people did. Maybe there are alot of people who believe the age should be changed and they want to use this as a way to get attention on the topic. Bad way to inolve a kid in it? Yep. Effective? Possibly.

You vile criminal you. I sentence you to death! Off with your head.

My wife hates cigar smoke. I bow to her on this one, so I don't get to partake as often as I would like or would do so normally. I'm lucky if I get to enjoy 3-4 in a year. Used to be much more into them before I met my wife. Ah, the plight of man. That said, I know they get mixed reviews (as in all over the board), but a good cheapie is Helix...550 or 652. Mild, but interestingly enough a little peppery at the start. I have come to like cigars that start a little peppery and them smooth out. Not many do that, at least in the limited range of what I have tried.

That was before this new initiative in the DEC plan, though. Scary thought.

Shooting a buck on opening day of bow is such a double edged sword. You don't like the cold, right? Is that a factor not considered? Would it be different if say the season was moved up a month and you had burned your tag? Interesting insight.

Tell that to any parent letting their kid shoot a bb gun unsupervised. Next thing you know, they are a serial killer, right?

I completely understand where you are getting at. The sky doesn't fall all of the time though. I know just as many people who had horrible upbringing who "made it" in life, whether that be professionally, or a good family, or what have you, as I do those who had crummy parents who turned out to be just as crummy. Studies will certainly show a favorability for less chance of success on some measurable, but at the end of the day, as kids grow up, they become accountable for their actions. The parent isn't doing the kid a favor in this situation, I agree. There's alot of reasons why I shouldn't be where I am, yet I got here. I have a co-worker whose upbringing was horrible - the kind of stories as a human being you just want to hug the guy and tell him it'll be OK. He tells me that its up to him to make the right choices...and he did. He held himself accountable. Really, we're talking more about parenting than the actual lawbreaking, and that I agree with.

Be careful, they'll start lobbing out 4 pts a side, ha.

I read same level and desire as hunting style. Think about it for a second...level could be seriousness, frequency, manner, degree, etc. Desire could mean passion, drive, how you want to hunt, etc. With bucks to shoot, I generally am a top 1%er (I quantify that as in most of the people on this forum would be as well) of the hunting population. If does were only legal game, I'd be one heck of a social/casual hunter. 3-4 days tops a year. I agree that it wouldn't be good for the maintenance of the sport.

I see alot of people that portray they have never broken a law/reg in this thread. I almost think its physically impossible to say you have never broken the law - simply being alive almost makes it a guarantee a law will be broken at some time. Those righteous and divine people must be infallable. Usually they're the ones who end up having the dead bodies under the floor boards, right? Or the ones with banned clips tucked away in the closet. These people read any degree of contextual understanding as the sky is falling. Grow just realized she broke the law teaching her kids to shoot and a rolling stop - guess what - remember that famous saying? Ignorance is no excuse. Well, let's go get Doc and NYAntler to arrest her because everybody else is in the same boat as Grow at some point in their life - a lawbreaker.

And thats why Gander is getting rid of the classes. To sell stuff in the space where there was only an expense.

Hahahahahaha. Brilliant post!

I think the guy is an asshat. I dont think many would disagree with that. I think support came from the kid component and the fact many dont agree with the age law. Using another tag besides his and the posting etc is way off kilter. But its apparent there is some degree of support based on the crowd funding. Maybe that would satisfy nyantlers requirement that others join in, at least they are financially. Lol.

Damn you and your once in a million actually make sense posts.Sorry had to man. Cheers you southerner.

I may regret asking, but why? The pix is readable. Maybe subscribe to it? Just a thought. Placing all content online for free isnt smart on small scale news outlets. Its not like its the NYT.

Interesting. I think it would open up land. As much as people want to make an argument that antlers have little or nothing to do with hunting, I just cannot see where doe only hunting would carry the same degree of participation or level of involvement. I think it would open alot of land up. I dont see people leasing, or trying to lockdown land for doe hunting. I think more owners would want deer shot because they become much more problematic than they are now in higj dpsm areas because we as a resource cant control the population with reduced participation.