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How does one defend themselves if accused in that situation? Seems like even one level beyond a red light camera because there's not even a picture of them breaking the law. You are trying to disprove something that doesn't exist in a court of law. Where's the accuser to question?

I can't imagine there not being a very thorough process to get one of those puppies up.

Agreed, if townspeople got together to protect what they value, then they've done their due diligence. Its all about accountability at the personal level. I have alot of respect for people that get stuff like that done, whether I agree or not with their view. They're trying to make moves rather than complain about their view after the 400' monstrocity towers over their dinner table window. If you can protect what you value as a community at large, then all is well. The community allows for turbines? Well, don't blame the landowner when one pops up. Look in the darn mirror.

Thanks for the heads up. Got alot of wind-impacted roads to drive home.

Just starting to come down now here at the office in the city. Didn't realize it was supposed to be bad.

I bet you are excited to have a house where you can put up dead animal heads. Good luck w/sale.

I would think their angle would be the tagging, not so much the health component. Just not sure how you could get compliance from them to do that, and as Culver said, without implementing a tax on it.

Hey - I don't think anyone wouldn't sympathize with you. That sucks. At the same time, that person worked hard for the land (or inherited it through dumb luck), pays the taxes on it, and decided to do something on his land within his legal rights to better his life whether it be drive a lambo or otherwise. You didn't own the view created by the land that he/she owned, so what ownership do you have on that situation? If you wanted the view, you should have bought his land to secure it, no? Has your tax assessed value gone down at all? Or comps in the area? Seems like all of the data I scanned seem to be one for and one against. No clear answer. Again, I can't say enough that I feel bad for you. But, I can't see how this guy did anything wrong to you specifically. You just get screwed because of happenstance due to location. I'm there now because my house turns into an indoor swimming pool twice a year due to someone changing the water course. I can't prove it, so I get to shoulder the load. Trust me, I know how you feel.

I hate "yeah but" scenarios, so what follows is irritating for me to say. That said, there are situations where small acreage is valuable - look at some of the Finger Lakes. People buy houses just to knock them down so they can build a bigger house on the property combined with the parcel next door. One piece of ground I hunt on once in a blue moon is 17 acres and it has a a pretty lucrative natural gas lease because of its location off of Keuka Lake. The property is the prime access to the ones behind it for transit. I'm sure there are probably alot of people that might not get similar treatment, but small parcels aren't in and of themselves excluded from interest.

Wow you weren't kidding. 90 seconds into a google search and pretty clear there's no definitive answer.

Yeah...butchers have their place, but doing it yourself if you have the time/space seems a no-brainer after a while.

What about fracking though? My understanding is that it drives values up and that comes with some pretty intense risks. Obviously NY has bucked that trend to allow it, but other states have. A wind farm might be the same because if the land next door is suitable for the turbines, chances are yours may be as well. You could be completely correct, but I've just never seen anything on it other than heresay from people who don't want the turbines. Most people here commented on the "eye sore" which I found interesting; not their property value. If anything, that's what I would be upset about.

Can they legally force butchers to do that? That's an interesting concept.

I'm sure much of my home value is at the cost of someone upstream that changed the water course in 2013, so I'm likely living that situation now. I can't show evidence to it, but it's very likely true. At the same point and time, I can't blame a guy for moving up should he be in such a situation as with a turbine. No different than selling land for a subdivision or OGM rights. Obviously safety/health implications are paramount and that would need to be fully vetted. Do property values plummet with these? Not sure, but a good question. Everyone throws that out there, but I haven't seen anyone post proof of that. I'm sure logically it may make sense, but is there an equal interest in development of the resource that keeps prices as high or higher? Similar to fracking...event he speculation of it alone drove values up, and I think one would say that they'd probably rather have a wind turbine over fracking. You'd probably start using the blades as a moving target anyway. And because its you, you get the friend discount. I'll only ask for 24 of them to be put up, not 25. LOL.

Now your second home/cabins has a turbine? You sir, are screwed.

I'd still invite him over for beers. I might ask that he bring over some nice IPA instead of Coors Light, but nevertheless, I wouldn't be pissed at him. Not sure why anyone would have a right to be pissed at him.

Wouldn't be my children. I'd probably move to Iowa or an island and have the residual income allow my kids to go to Yale and drive more expensive cars than their teachers in high school. You take things equally as far as I do on the opposite end of the spectrum, lol.

The interesting thing is I think many of them are made in foreign countries when the subsidies were designed to allow them to be built in the US. Somehow the companies found loopholes to have them built and imported.

No offense taken. The mindset of being neighborly at the significant expense or detriment to my family's well being/pursuit of happiness is equally if not more disgusting. That's about as hypocritical as one can get - pot calling the kettle black. People who have not trying to take from those who have is exactly how we got to where we are today. It's why the president is in office. Would I want one next to me? Not for a second, but I can't sit there and get pissed at the neighbor; he's doing the right thing for his family and I commend him for that.

That's all that matters. If someone came to me to put up a turbine for $10k a year royalty, and at the end of the day the risks are mitigated with necessary contract provisions, it won't take long for me to sign on the line. I don't care if it doesn't provide reliable income to you, your mother, or your kids. I'm sorry, but I don't care. In all honesty, I might ask that they put up twenty-five of them on my ground for similar rates as long as I could be safely protected. Call me whatever you want, I'm better securing my family's future or significantly contributing to a quality of life improvement. If they put 25 on there, I might be able to move and not have to look at them anyway, lol. Being emotionally attached to something that you would be better served by looking at as a business transaction usually ends up with you on the losing side financially and reducing the quality of life. Whether it's buying a car, buying or selling a home, or with land. Sure, sometimes peace of mind is worth a lot. I'd rather go crazy and give my kid a head start over yours any day of the week. Cruel, but that is reality. Not everyone gets a trophy in life.

Geez Doc, you might be a better fit in China or some other country with that kind of hard-line stances, lol.

I've hunted plenty of land that are now subdivisons. What a horrible way to destroy a beautiful landscape. What an eyesore. The things people do to make a buck.

Unless there was a tie that binds to the land, ie family heritage or something, I see nothing wrong with putting one or more of these up on the land I owned. If my kid goes to college for free off of it, or if I have a reliable income from it that would benefit me/my family, then its a no-brainer. Do I think they are the most beautiful thing in the world? No. Can I blame the landowners for doing it? No. At the end of the day, if you have the chance to grab life by the balls, get a handful.

Isnt that a draw length specific bow? Hope it matches or youll need a cam swap.

Seahawsk...I think they'll win and I want them to.