Tacti_Steve

I'm no poacher. If I was going to poach my freezer would be always full and there wouldn't be a Coon or Deer left. Thanks but I was trying to have a nice discussion. Throw insults and I'm out. Happy hunting.

I never understood that. I always wear orange and back in the day still killed Deer with a bow. Deer are color blind. What's important is the pattern. You want to be broken up. For Turkey I get it but not for Deer.

It's also off point from the OP. The OP asked what's with the craziness? I don't see it as crazy. I see it as bow hunters not wanting to share the woods. You share it with me while I'm Turkey hunting with my shotgun. Same gun I use to shoot Deer with. I share the woods during spring Turkey season with guys that hunt them with a bow. Why is the difference crazy?

That being said I don't wipe out whole family groups either. I'll take the big doe and let the rest go. But I don't wait to see if the buck is following. The only benefit to me behind big horns is the dog takes longer to chew threw them.

I am a brown it's down fill, all my tags and keep the population under control. If I killed as much as I could there wouldn't be anything left.

What's the difference if I gave him a doe tag instead and filled my own bow tag? Still the same amount of meat in the freezer and number of Deer harvested.

I take offense to that. Hunting is my life and my livelihood. It's not the weapon you use to kill with its how you hunt. I can sit there with a rifle and choose not to take the shot until their within range of a bow. I can choose to make all the same movements and hunt the same way just with a different weapon. The reason I don't bow hunt is that I don't need to. My father fills my bow tag and I spend bow season running coons and turkey hunting. I stopped bow hunting when I went in the service. I got out and my equipment had gone bad in storage. It still sits downstairs. I made the decision not to replace it. If they opened bow season up to gun I would just fill my tags sooner but I would still turkey hunt instead of deer hunt. I'm out in the woods five nights a week. What I've been trying to get across is it's not the weapon that matters it's how you hunt. I'd have no problem if they changed bow season to pay more to hunt season and put regulations in place to limit the styles of hunting allowed, but opened up the weapons of choice. That was what the OP was about.

As a houndsman with a Garmin alpha and TT10 collar I'll say it works!!! I've broken dogs without it and will never try again. Using an ecollar is so much easier. You can break them of off game without killing the drive. You need to encourage them right. You can't just use the ecollar. You need positive reinforcement as well.

Tax incentives and stop the insurance companies from suing them when someone gets hurt. Educate them on the importance of true conservation. Get rid of the benefits of leasing the land out. Other states have programs where people can declare their land open for public hunting and the state compensates them for it through tax incentives. Most importantly people have to be willing to accept that both good people and jerks being on their land.

Currently I just gun hunt as my passion is hound hunting. I Deer hunt for the meat and conservation. I fill nuisance tags all summer long. What I don't eat the dogs do. I'm not just after that big buck. I'm after keeping crop damage and insurance rates down. I don't see why it's nuts. I hunt with a guy that bow hunts all season long. He's not allowed to own a gun because of a mistake he made a long time ago. I see Deer running after they've been shot at by a bow. What's the difference between that and a gun? I think what you're associating with is hunting styles not the weapons of choice. The fact that more people gun hunt is what causes the problem you're seeing. If you flooded the woods with that many guys during bow season you'd have the same effect. Especially if someone figured out how to drive deer and shoot them with a bow. Like by using drones. Again that is a difference in the style of hunting not the weapon of choice.

It is not that I don't understand bow hunting. I bow hunted for years. I don't understand why you can't bow hunt while I shotgun hunt. I prefer a shotgun with a smooth barrel to a rifle. Once the regs come out I'm hoping to prefer an air rifle. That's my thing. Yours is a bow. Why can't we share the woods? It's not that I'm less interested in the quality or style of hunting. My style is just different than yours. Our goals are different. You're after that big buck while my goal is conservation. The way I see it going after that big buck and doing all the management that comes with it is genetic engineering not conservation. And if my attitude is becoming more prevalent then we should find a way to work together instead of against each other. Change is a part of life. It's how we've survived. It should be embraced not fought.

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I'm not pushing any product here but the Zulu series are pretty good. The zulu9 would be good for what you're looking for.

Leasing hunting rights ruins conservation. http://huntingtactical.com/blog/leasing-hunting-rights/

Here's a link to the form I use. http://huntingtactical.com/blog/hunting-permission-slips/

I go around a lot for permission to coon hunt with my hound. My tip is use the local tax map to find the actual owner (often not who's on the posted sign) and their address. Go in person with written permission slips that have your's and their info on them. That way they have a record of who they're letting on their land and you have it in writing. My slips also have a waiver on them saying they're not liable for my injuries. I know it's not needed but if you do get hurt (trust me from experience) it stops your insurance company from going after them. Be friendly and well dressed. Personally I have better luck not asking to Deer hunt. I always lead with getting permission to coon hunt. 9/10 time they let me coon hunt but not Deer. Then after a year or two I get permission to Deer hunt.

I'm not going to try and catch up on this thread. Just going to comment on the OP. I say hunt with whatever you want all season long. I don't see why bow hunters get extra time. The goal is meat and conservation. There's a total number of Deer we want dead. Open the season give out the right amount of tags and let everyone loose. Air, bow, cross, dog, drone, muzzle, rifle, shot whatever floats your boat just be safe.

I would agree that you can't have it out hunting with you. You could leave him in the car and go get him if you need him. But hunting Deer with dogs is so frowned upon in NYS that even guys not hunting Deer with dogs during Deer season get harassed.

Probably a yote but could be a large bobcat.

That's cool I love seeing new technology! Can't wait for them to make in in 12 ga.

As an active houndsman it is no excuse to continuously let dogs loose onto other peoples property. Sure it happens on occasion but if the dog is not trained to stay on your property then tie it up. Don't take it out on the dog though. It's the owner that's not training it right.

Depends on what I feel like carrying. I've shot enough of them walking to/from my spot with my pack on that to me it doesn't matter. If I know I'm not going to sit anywhere and I'm not getting into anything thick I'll carry it with me so when I shoot one I don't have to go back for my gear.

​I just read an article that summarizes a great recent study performed by North Carolina State University. The article explains that "the six-state study, part of the eMammal project, used citizen science camera traps to determine whether recreation activity disrupted wildlife in 32 protected forests. Researchers did side-by-side comparisons of protected areas with similar habitats but different hunting regulations, and compared sites on and off hiking trails." This reinforces the findings in the ​​South Carolina Department of Natural Resourc​es study done twenty years ago that found Raccoon Hunting has no effect on Deer movement. I would like to find the actual study data and see if they involved any parks near me. One interesting finding was that while hunted species were found slightly less frequently, predators were found more frequently. Especially Coyotes! What I derive from this is that it is not the activity that impacts the animals. It is changes in activity that impacts them. Suddenly flooding the woods on opening day of Deer season has an impact. Consistently hound hunting the property does not. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-06-hiking-minor-effects...

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Some more pics from the Big Game Trials