wildcat junkie

Of the 30 or more deer I have taken W/CF rifles over the last 15 season, perhaps 10 of those have been perfect broadside hits through the center of the heart/lung area. No bone hit other than ribs. 3 have dropped in their tracks, Most run a short distance as you say. None of the 3 were heart shot, rather hit a bit above the heart in the bundle of major blood vessels. All of them were relaxed & feeding when hit. Maybe you are right, but I can find no explanation for those 3 acting unlike all the others. Of them all, I've had perhaps 5 or 6 that dropped from skeletal/lung hits, 2 that were hit right behind//below the ear. All of the rest were varying angles through the lungs or the heart & they ran. Frontal shots or steep angling on are the worst for running W/O a blood trail.

I have already stated that it is concern for the property values of those not profiting from the fracking that live in the immediate area of fracking wells. So quite trying to deflect the point W/your PERCEIVED fear factor.. So let's see if I understand what your "PERCEIVED consequences" means as it pertains to property value impact. PERCEIVED would mean it may or may not be true correct? So lets just leave the word "unproven" out of the equation as it seems that you are asserting that the (reduced property value) consequences are REAL due to the PERCEPTION that there may be other consequences. So that being said, the consequences of reduced property values are real by your own words. So now we have people that are adversely (financially) affected by fracking. Wouldn't it be fair to say that those adversely (financially) affected people that reside in the immediate area in all likelihood would be greater in number than those that benefit from the fracking leases? As far as employment, most of the employees of the fracking companies aren't from the immediate area anyway. The work is transient in nature, as once the wells are up & producing, most of the workers move W/the work to the next drilling site. My next door neighbor's son is working in West Virginia now after completing the jobs in South West Pennsylvania. So your concerns for employment & the economy as they apply to the populous in the immediate area of fracking boils down to is, the profits of the few outweigh the rights of the many. That sounds like some sort of socialized risk to me. Sounds a lot like the Keystone XL boondoggle doesn't it?

I've read the same theory & I am a firm believer. I have shot does that would dress 80# broadside through the lungs @ 75yds W/a 140gr .284 polymer tipped bullet that left the muzzle @ 3150fps & had them run 30yds before piling up. I have hit bucks that dressed 170# broadside through the lungs @ 245yds W/the same load & had them drop straight down into an upright position W/their legs tucked under them.

They still make them. My son bought one & used it last deer season.Yes it is a ZIPPO. My take on odor is that if they are downwind, human odor is going to raise the red flag the quickest. I used to smoke & the smoke from the cigarette was a good way to gauge the wind direction & speed. I think that the motion associated with smoking is far more likely to spook deer than the smoke itself. I have had deer blow at me when I was caught patting myself down looking for my cigarettes, lighter, etc.

I hope it is OK W/the OP if I chime in. There is a gap behind the shoulder so that the standard shoulder mount cape will still fit. It is painted black & the cape is turned around it. They look great in person. It is supposed to look like a floor pedestal mount yet it hangs on the wall. Hence the "Wall Pedestal" moniker.

So are you saying that he can win in court with unproven consequences? What's up with that? How could he win if there are no consequences that can be proven in court? Unproven consequences is a term used by conservatives to describe any scientific data that might negatively impact the profit margins of the fossil fuel industry. Yeah, the water tower, that's the thicket, water tower, yeah. Sound like you have a lot of 1st hand knowledge about fracking. How much $$$ do you have invested in carbon based energy? Or perhaps your livelihood depends on that same industry?

Until it's in his back yard.

If the strap & the part of the stand that contacts the tree cut off enough sap flow, it can also kill the tree eventually. I had some "Old Man ladder stands that used a light gauge chain W/a binder. They killed the trees they were chained to over the summer a few years back. Even nylon straps seem to stunt the foliage after a while.

It's called NIMBY. Which was the point I was trying to get across. Reduced property values.

Awesome looking mount.Congratulations! On the buck & your choice of the mount. Don't you just love those "wall pedestal" mounts? The pose looks so natural. I had my '09 bock done that way & I'm having my '14 buck done W/the opposite turn (like yours) so they are looking (angled) towards each other.. Maybe we should start a wall pedestal mount thread?

QUOTE: "As ExxonMobil’s CEO, it’s Rex Tillerson’s job to promote the hydraulic fracturing enabling the recent oil and gas boom, and fight regulatory oversight. The oil company is the biggest natural gas producer in the U.S., relying on the controversial drilling technology to extract it. The exception is when Tillerson’s $5 million property value might be harmed. Tillerson has joined a lawsuit that cites fracking’s consequences in order to block the construction of a 160-foot water tower next to his and his wife’s Texas home."

No I & some others have stated the purpose of wind socks. The point of the picture was would you want to live in that house assuming that the well was not paying you royalties? If the home owner sold the lease & is getting $$$ from the fracking then that is his choice, but what about those that have the misfortune of living next to a well that is upwind of them, in plain view & they aren't getting squat? How would you like that? Not to mention what it might be doing tom their well water.

Refineries, chemical plants or any facility that has a potential for leaking toxic gasses have a wind sock so in case of emergencies, employees or emergency personnel can see which way the fumes are traveling. In this case, the wind is blowing right towards that farm house.How would you like to have that near your home & what would it do to your property value?

The irony is that some of the more ludicrous far right rants are changing the minds of the moderates & sending their sympathies farther to the left. Just like parading around showing off assault rifles in public. As someone else posted, it's counter-productive.

The 1st time I saw Grabber Mycoal warmers was in the take-out line of a Jewish deli in downtown Indianapolis. I used them for years before they became popular W/hunters in that area. I even made my own toe warmers W/masking tape. If you want to save the warmers after short hunts, place them in a Zip-lock bag, suck the air out W/a straw in the corner & seal them. Once oxygen is cut off, the chemical reaction ceases. I don't know how long they will keep after that, but I have used them after a week stored that way.

There is also a 7mm WSM. If you reload, the 7mm WSM is a bit more versatile as .284 bullets are available in a much broader range of weights & construction than. 277. Some manufacturers (I think Sierra is an example) actually have a wider variety of .284 than .308 bullets. If you buy a Savage bolt action, chambered in one of those calibers, you could switch barrels between 7mm WSM & 325 WSM. All you would need is a barrel nut wrench & head-space gauges. Just screw the barrel down on the appropriate head space gauge & lock down the barrel nut. Of course, the same could be said for all of the WSM chamberings.

Here is what a 200gr 323 Hot Core bullet does to a mature buck at 100yds when it leaves the muzzle @ 2700fps. The hit was straight on, high in the brisket.. The lungs came out in handful chunks & about 1/3 of the liver was destroyed. No blood trail due to pump failure, but the buck went less than 50yds. I like 8mm cartridges. To me 30 cal is a jack of all trades, master of none. Too big to shoot flat W/O a lot of blast & recoil, too small to carry 200gr or more of bullet weight in short/medium length cartridges.

The 325 WSM was poo-pooed by the 338 fans even though the 8mm bullet makes more sense than a 338 in a short WSM cartridge, thus the luke warm reception & lack of publicity. The ideal compromise bullet weight in .323 or 8.2mm, the actual bullet diameter, is about 200gr. A .323 200gr bullet traveling @ 2900 FPS (a more realistic Mv) makes over 3500 ft# of energy & it will have a better BC than a similar weight 338 bullet thus retaining energy better & having a better trajectory. If I were to purchase a WSM clambering, it would be the 325 WSM. Back before the 325 WSM, I was researching an 8mm WSM widcat of the slightly larger capacity (than the 300 WSM) 7mm WSM case. .

Damned "metric" masquerading as a Yankee cartridge! Everyone knows those metrics get feet & meters mixed up so they lose energy faster that true blue Yankee boolits.

If you are in the right spot, doves tend to be "high volume" shooting too. It's not unusual to go through more than a box of shells in the attempt to fill a bag limit.

You could opt for a 338-06 for a bit more bullet weight, but then an 8X57 does the same thing. For me, it would be the 6.5X55 W/130gr bullets & 8X57 W/200gr pills as the perfect combo, but I reload.

Sounds like it would cover deer/antelope/sheep/goats W/the 270 & the elk/bigger stuff W/the '06 W/150gr bonded bullets, the 270 could sub for the '06 & W/165gr BTs, the '06 could sub form the 270 Could you be planning a hunting trip out West..

Anyone notice the wind sock?

Some sites have "preferences" where you can toggle off subjects that you don't want to come up.

In some states, it's the most popular small game species.Very challenging targets. Think pigeons W/afterburners that kick in after the 1st shot. Hunting is usually done from makeshift blinds (brush/tree cover) in fence rows along crop fields. Most laws against dove hunting are because of Bambi lover types that see the pretty birdies as the bird of peace.