OMG HAZ HE TAKEN ALLZ UR GUNZ YET?!?!

[Mr VJP]

Here's the thing that I don't get... Many people keep mentioning the word "tyrants", but all I see is a democratic process that voted in and approved laws that you happen not to agree with.

New York has never been a gun-friendly state. Move to Texas if you're looking for that. This is the will of the majority, which, last time I checked, is the whole point of our system of government.

You are completely wrong about that. We live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Since you seem to be ignorant about the difference, Democracy means the majority rules. If that were our form of government, slavery would still exist. A Republic is governed by the rule of law, and our #1 law is the Constitution. When elected officials vote to pass a law that is unconstitutional, it is an invalid law, regardless of the majority opinion. Those elected officials, voting against the rule of constitutional law can rightly be called tyrants.

I hope you get it now.

[josephmrtn]

You are completely wrong about that. We live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Since you seem to be ignorant about the difference, Democracy means the majority rules. If that were our form of government, slavery would still exist. A Republic is governed by the rule of law, and our #1 law is the Constitution. When elected officials vote to pass a law that is unconstitutional, it is an invalid law, regardless of the majority opinion. Those elected officials, voting against the rule of constitutional law can rightly be called tyrants.

I hope you get it now.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[virgil]

Unless and until a law is ruled unconsititutional in court, it is simply your opinion, based on your personal interpretation of the 2A, that the law is unconstitutional.

[Mr VJP]

Absolutely! You have some here trying to rally everyone, thinking that gun owners actually have a chance. Come on look at how easily this law passed?? Even many republicans voted for it. They surely can move to more gun friendly states if they don't like it here. But I do have news for them. The winds of change will reach those places too one day. May not be as quick as here, but I can assure them that it will. Societies ideas about things change and it's changing fast about gun ownership, even among gun owners. Those who don't want to believe it can continue not believing it, but in the long run it will be their loss.

Sorry to see you have accepted defeat all ready. Change is often a word that means, "Less Freedom". Our federal and state governments are moving in that direction. Many are OK with it because they want a big government nanny to take care of all their problems and keep them safe from all harm, because they have neither the courage, strength, nor fortitude to take care of themselves.

I reject your "assurance" that real Americans, that love and cherish freedom, will ever accept the nanny state. We might as well consider ourselves to be pets owned by the government and take what ever food and freedom it wishes to bestow on us at it's discretion. Gun owners who accept the anti-gun agenda are an embarassment to this country.

[Mr VJP]

Unless and until a law is ruled unconsititutional in court, it is simply your opinion, based on your personal interpretation of the 2A, that the law is unconstitutional.

Actually, it is my opinion it is possibly violating the 2nd, but against the 10th and 14th amendments.......

[steve863]

You are completely wrong about that. We live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Since you seem to be ignorant about the difference, Democracy means the majority rules. If that were our form of government, slavery would still exist. A Republic is governed by the rule of law, and our #1 law is the Constitution. When elected officials vote to pass a law that is unconstitutional, it is an invalid law, regardless of the majority opinion. Those elected officials, voting against the rule of constitutional law can rightly be called tyrants.

I hope you get it now.

What BS. We shall see what the courts decide on the constitutionality of this new law. My hunch is that it doesn't stand a chance of being overturned. AR and AK rifles can still be had without those so called "evil" features, so this law is far from an outright ban on anything. Using the Heller case precedent won't apply here. You watch an see.

[steve863]

Sorry to see you have accepted defeat all ready. Change is often a word that means, "Less Freedom". Our federal and state governments are moving in that direction. Many are OK with it because they want a big government nanny to take care of all their problems and keep them safe from all harm, because they have neither the courage, strength, nor fortitude to take care of themselves.

I reject your "assurance" that real Americans, that love and cherish freedom, will ever accept the nanny state. We might as well consider ourselves to be pets owned by the government and take what ever food and freedom it wishes to bestow on us at it's discretion. Gun owners who accept the anti-gun agenda are an embarassment to this country.

See the problem with you is that you know damned well that your point of view is in the minority and will be even more so in the future and you simply cannot accept it. You are doing everything in your power to condemn everyone else for even daring to think differently than you. You know damned well that you are a dying breed and have serious trouble accepting this fact. That sir, is your bloody problem and not ours. Just because you can't accept fact and reality don't make YOU better than anyone else. It simply shows how ignorant you are of the world around you. Maybe getting out of your bomb shelter more often could help you?

[hunterman7956]

I will admit, the original post was a little bit of a gloat, because I think all the rhetoric pre-election was just so over the top and I'm looking forward to very little changing about gun ownership in the next four years. If I'm wrong, believe me, I know I will hear about it a million times over from the vast majority of Republicans on this board.

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Well what say you now ! choose your words carefully ...they have a way of comming back and biting you in the ass....

[josephmrtn]

hey why are you guys giving up?!?!? they didnt take all our guns!!! and were not in jail!!! look on the bright side!!!!

[Mr VJP]

I AM a dying breed.....and DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!

[steve863]

I AM a dying breed.....and DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!

And that along with $3 might buy you a hot dog! Sure as hell won't get other people to think the same way you do, that's for damned sure.

[Mr VJP]

Couldn't care less if they do. But someone still needs to tell them how wrong they are about their ideas and why. There may be a few zombies that can be saved, and perhaps when it gets bad enough, many. I can't help it if they are too obtuse to understand at this time. When resistance dies, so does all hope. The future you predict for yourself looks dark and bleak anyway. Good Luck with that.

P.S. If you think there aren't tens of thousands of others in this land that agree with me, you're wrong.

Edited January 16, 2013 by Mr VJP

[virgil]

You like the word 'obtuse'. Did you just watch Shawshank Redemption?

Interesting that you claim not to care if others don't think like you do, yet you spend so much time and energy trying to convince everyone that they should think like you or be doomed.

[Sogaard]

You are completely wrong about that. We live in a Republic, not a Democracy. Since you seem to be ignorant about the difference, Democracy means the majority rules. If that were our form of government, slavery would still exist. A Republic is governed by the rule of law, and our #1 law is the Constitution. When elected officials vote to pass a law that is unconstitutional, it is an invalid law, regardless of the majority opinion. Those elected officials, voting against the rule of constitutional law can rightly be called tyrants.

I hope you get it now.

The word "Democracy" is never mentioned in my post.

And the highlighted section is all I ever need to know about you.

[Sogaard]

I will admit, the original post was a little bit of a gloat, because I think all the rhetoric pre-election was just so over the top and I'm looking forward to very little changing about gun ownership in the next four years. If I'm wrong, believe me, I know I will hear about it a million times over from the vast majority of Republicans on this board.

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Well what say you now ! choose your words carefully ...they have a way of comming back and biting you in the ass....

Nothing has changed at the Federal level, which is what that post was addressing. I already addressed this earlier in the thread, I don't feel like doing so again.

[Sogaard]

Couldn't care less if they do. But someone still needs to tell them how wrong they are about their ideas and why. There may be a few zombies that can be saved, and perhaps when it gets bad enough, many. I can't help it if they are too obtuse to understand at this time. When resistance dies, so does all hope. The future you predict for yourself looks dark and bleak anyway. Good Luck with that.

P.S. If you think there aren't tens of thousands of others in this land that agree with me, you're wrong.

You are perfectly right, I'm sure there are tens of thousands that agree, in a field of millions.

[Mr VJP]

Give the Fed a couple of weeks Sogaard. You will be wrong again.

[Mr VJP]

You are perfectly right, I'm sure there are tens of thousands that agree, in a field of millions.

High I.Q's are not common. Take yourself for example.

[Sogaard]

No one has taken a single gun from you on the state level, and we have the strictest rules in the Union, so I was never wrong to begin with.

[Sogaard]

High I.Q's are not common. Take yourself for example.

Yes, I'm very intellectually intimidated by a person who just posted that if we were a true democracy, slavery would still legal in the United States.

[Mr VJP]

The word "Democracy" is never mentioned in my post.

And the highlighted section is all I ever need to know about you.

You said majority rule, that means Democracy. Understand?

As far as the 2nd line in your post, the majority at the time of the civil war was against freeing the slaves. You don't know much about history either, do you?

[Mr VJP]

No one has taken a single gun from you on the state level, and we have the strictest rules in the Union, so I was never wrong to begin with.

Wrong again. I lived in NJ under Gov. Florio, he signed an "assault weapons" ban and they did take guns from me, and a lot of other gun owners. So, I have seen this before. Maybe that's why I'm not sharing your uninformed opinion here.

[Sogaard]

Except it would have to be the majority today, also, or it would have been abolished somewhere else down the timeline. Don't know much about logic either, do you?

[Sogaard]

Wrong again. I lived in NJ under Gov. Florio, he signed an "assault weapons" ban and they did take guns from me, and a lot of other gun owners. So, I have seen this before. Maybe that's why I'm not sharing your uninformed opinion here.

We are talking about post-Obama here, why are you going back to the early 1990s?

[Mr VJP]

Except it would have to be the majority today, also, or it would have been abolished somewhere else down the timeline. Don't know much about logic either, do you?

I presume you're correct. But what do statistics show? Logically, you'd need them to back up your statement. Please post them ASAP. BTW, why does slavery still exist in many parts of the world today then?