AR Question

[Steuben Jerry]

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyones knows, or cares to share an opinion on this;

My S&W M&P 15 does not have a collapsible stock (it is adjustable with tools), does not have a supressor or brake, and does not have a bayonet lug.

It does however have a pistol grip. So if I'm understanding the law correctly, if I remove the pistol grip, it's no longer banned? There can't be this loophole, can there?

Hoping...

[Dan92]

i have read this bill over and over. and in my understanding, YES if you take off the pistol grip its no longer considered banned. as long as you dont put any other attachments on.. scope, flashlight/laser, bipod, nothing... i dont see how to hold an ar without the grip though

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Dance. Those attachments you list mean nothing.

[dbHunterNY]

your AR is a banned item and must be registered within a year simply because of it's reciever design with the new bill. the characteristic attachments are to pick up other tactical guns that aren't an AR platform.

[Dan92]

culver you are correct those attachments arent on the bill... you would need just a solid barrel though like on a paintball gun so no suppressor or break can be added and im not sure if they make them. but i THINK if you cannot accommodate anything on that list onto your AR then it should be considered legal.. just get a handguard instead of rail mounts.. hell put a solid m16 stock and take the pistol grip off and that SHOULD IMO consider it leagl

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS?

(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE

MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;

(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF

THE WEAPON;

(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;

(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE

NON-TRIGGER HAND;

(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;

(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED

BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR

MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;

(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR

[jusputtn]

Before you go crazy with a hacksaw and/or torch, I'd be patient and just plan what you may need to do. This NRA/NYSRPA are filling a lawsuit with the NY Supreme Court this week. Another even larger protest at the capitol is beginning to be organized for February. The fat lady hasn't sung yet.

[ants]

Agree'd don't do anything crazy yet. Wait and see. But as its written now I believe any AR style rifle is pretty much sunk.

[dbHunterNY]

i guess what i said might not be true. it looks like it was rewritten once going through the assembly and other stuff. that part is now crossed out.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

and you may want to check it against the list by the State Police. The description is to cover any weapon NOT specifically called out. If it is called out it doesn't matter what you do.

My buddy has a turkey semi auto shotgun that is not specifically called out so if he were to remove the thuumbhole stock he would not have to register it.

Once the dust settles I would do what ever I could to NOT have to register a weapon becasue then the ability to sell or transfer gets dicey.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Culvercreek hunt club

[HectorBuckBuster]

I believe if you got rid of the pistol grip that gun would be legal. I can buy a Benelli M1 .223 with 5 round clip and its legal, but I can't by the same exact gun M1 with the pistol grip because that is illegal.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I believe if you got rid of the pistol grip that gun would be legal. I can buy a Benelli M1 .223 with 5 round clip and its legal, but I can't by the same exact gun M1 with the pistol grip because that is illegal.

we really should make sure we use the right terms to avoid further confusion in a confusing topic. the one with a pistol grip is NOT illegal. it must be registered.

[dbHunterNY]

....regardless i wouldn't hack the grip off.

[Steuben Jerry]

Thanks for the replies so far. A little clicking around found me this among others;

http://www.monstermangrip.com/MMG_AR.php

Looks like our west coast bretheren are way ahead of us in dealing with ban workarounds. I don't know if that will fly in NY or not, but it's interesting.

I agree with the comments above regarding fat ladies singing. The lawsuits are just starting to be assembled.

[Steuben Jerry]

Found this too. From the Governor's FAQ site on the NY SAFE act.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq

Q: If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon, do I have to register it?

A: No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.

Seems like a bolt on/bolt off grip may not meet the "cannot be reversed through reasonable means" part, but it's encouraging.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

A: No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it.

I think the problem for many models though is if they are called out specifically as an assault weapon in the listing. no modificatino you can make will change what make and model the weapon is.

It sure is tough for Joe public to figue out what to do when the ones writing the law had no idea what they were writing. Sad.

[HectorBuckBuster]

I though the law reads is a rifle has one of the assault weapons qualities then it is banned. So if it does not have the qualities then it can not be banned. They have not banned a specific caliber of gun.