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HectorBuckBuster Newbie

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I have looked at 80 percent lowers option too. Right now the 80% lowers seem to cost as much or more then stripped lowers. I can tell you I have gotten lowers as low as $100 in the last week. Just takes some searching. I almost think investing in lowers will be better then gold. (you never know)

 

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OK, here are a couple of options to eliminated a pistol grip.  The first option is awesome, second is ok. Ok, I will now get more info on the bullet button.

 

while i was trying to give a fellow gun builder some good advice then back out of the conversation, but since ive been asked here we go.....

 

the top stock is a thunb hole, needs to be registered.

the second stock has a protrusion below the trigger, needs to be registered. (the law does not define how big the protrusion can be)

 

as WNY asked, define removable mag... you cant by the way the law was written.

 

short of using a 50bmg upper (making it a single shot) it will be nearly impossible to make a legal ar.

 

all ar uppers have a shroud from the receiver to the gas block to keep the workings covered. this allows you to wrap your hand around the barrel. making it illegal with a protrusion out the bottom.

 

and lets not forget, on cuomos safe act page, it names banned makes and models.

my advise? until this mess gets sorted out and repealed or at least definitions are clarified, build a bolt action or long bow, or increase your build budget enough to cover the legal fees.

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unless of course you dont bow to cumoron...

but we would NEVER do anything like that!!! right guys?

 

well joe that is a welcome thought. but it ends up one of two ways,

 

the first is you end up in jail.

 

the second is you have a really cool high dollar toy you cant play with or show off. now what fun is that?

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well joe that is a welcome thought. but it ends up one of two ways,

the first is you end up in jail.

the second is you have a really cool high dollar toy you cant play with or show off. now what fun is that?

From what i heard first offense earns you a summons. If you fail to register then you get the felony.

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From what i heard first offense earns you a summons. If you fail to register then you get the felony.

 

Thats only if you dont register something you owned before the safe act was signed (Jan 15th, 2013). You get what ammounts to a 30 day warning. Now if its a rifle you built or bought after that date, and they can prove it, youre screwed.

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Any of you guys thought of the AR15/AR10 "80%" lowers you can finish with a simple drill press?  No serial #'s to register, and legally at the federal level you have the right to own any gun you manufacture as long as it is not for the purpose of sale or gift.  By completing the lower to 100% you effectively are the builder, and did so within your own home for only personal use.  BAM! suck that safe act...

 

BTW idk if its actually a LEGAL way to circumnavigate the Assualt Weapon ban in NY with the new SafeAct, i just know its how a lot of AK47's were built with the reciever flats and parts kits back when i was in highschool and trying to one up "the man"

HEY would that mean that if i build a 22 LR handgun in our shop from scrap w/o serial no's and stuff it would be legal? (im tryin to build one)

 

well joe that is a welcome thought. but it ends up one of two ways,

 

the first is you end up in jail.

 

the second is you have a really cool high dollar toy you cant play with or show off. now what fun is that?

And why would you do that? LOL 

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HectorBuckBuster Newbie

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Tuckersdaddy, look at that first stock again, there is no thumb hole, the stock and the upper buffer tube do not connect and the second pictures is legal, check there website out.

 

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/exile-machine-hammerhead-ar-15-stock-adapter-1.html

 

NEW YORK STATE CUSTOMERS: We have confirmed with the state of New York via our attorney (Tresmond Law of Hamburg NY) that a rifle with our Hammerhead AR-15 Stock Adapter when permanently attached to the rifle and with a buttstock attached to the rear threads of this product (Type I or Type II config) and no other NY-SAFE prohibited features is considered a sporting rifle and no registration under NY-SAFE would be required.  Permanence can be achieved by simply epoxying the Hammerhead Stock Adapter to your rifle.

 

 

Also shrouds are only banned on pistols.

 

 

TuckersDaddy, I also don't believe there was a list of banned guns. just a list of guns that where either a assault weapon or not.

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Tuckersdaddy, look at that first stock again, there is no thumb hole, the stock and the upper buffer tube do not connect and the second pictures is legal, check there website out.

 

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/exile-machine-hammerhead-ar-15-stock-adapter-1.html

 

NEW YORK STATE CUSTOMERS: We have confirmed with the state of New York via our attorney (Tresmond Law of Hamburg NY) that a rifle with our Hammerhead AR-15 Stock Adapter when permanently attached to the rifle and with a buttstock attached to the rear threads of this product (Type I or Type II config) and no other NY-SAFE prohibited features is considered a sporting rifle and no registration under NY-SAFE would be required.  Permanence can be achieved by simply epoxying the Hammerhead Stock Adapter to your rifle.

 

 

Also shrouds are only banned on pistols.

 

 

TuckersDaddy, I also don't believe there was a list of banned guns. just a list of guns that where either a assault weapon or not.

Sooooo, when the state trooper pulls you over and asks if your ar is registered and you say no it doesnt need to because there is a quarter inch gap between the buffer and stock, and he takes his list provided to him by cuomos office as to whats an aw is and the names match, do you have tresmonds number on speed dial? you better hope so because you only get one call. you have to remember, just because they are the police doesnt mean they know the law. And until things get cleared up, examples will be made of people walking that fine line.

 

Isnt tresmond the lawyer who had his case against the safeact dismissed? I may be mistaken on that.

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Well here is a cool little website, put you gun features in and tells you yes or no.

 

http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/registration-questionnaire

 

just tried it out, still dosent define whats legal and whats not. every thing that cuomos office posts on this subject is through the perspective of how they wanted the law to be, and they enforce it. when we read its whats in the details. So weather or not its spelled out, if its not in the spirit of the law you must consider it illegal until the judges define the details. yes it sucks, but unless YOU want to be the person that tests it, be very careful on pushing the grey areas.

 

Also you keep saying its "your safeact" what state do you live in?

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Be careful guys. I would hate to see a sportsman get hooked up for something he thought would "fly."

 

If you do not care that is one thing. If you want to make a statement, or an act of civil disobedience, that is another.

 

But the law is what it is. An LEO will have no discretion on a possible misdemeanor or felony. Thats the way it is. All the talk that lowers are ok, other parts, or whatever...We will see. Just be careful.

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WNYBuckHunter Experienced

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Ive seen similar things on the market already. Problem is, you have to basically ruin the lower by making these things completely permanent for it to be legal (according to some). When the safe-crap is done away with, youll have a lower that no one would buy and you wouldnt be able to reconvert.

Btw, California just outlawed these, the "bullet buttons" and all of the other ways around their bans. If the safe act sticks, youll see it happen here too, mark my words.

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