Going to be all High Fence.

[DirtTime]

Is there a link to the quote you posted? I would like to read the whole story before I get in a twist.

I doubt NY would ever even consider making all hunting 'High Fence'. It would get messy fast.

But, at the same time I can see this happening. Due to the "FACT" that NY goes above and beyond what's right because they can. "Oh, someone got shot in "Treefall Swamp, Nowhere?"! We have to have laws to immediatly prevent that!".

 

See, the thing is, I have an isse with everyone and the "What if?" scenerios all the time. "What if the Four-Horsemen Show Up"?, "What if the seventh seal is broken?", "What if NY changes the laws we are used too for hunting?"........etc.

"What if you realize that Colorado, NM, WY, PA, NJ,TX, AK, and all the other states aren't NY?".

I just don't get it. But, I am willing to read and learn why "What if?" is so much of a big deal.

 

Also, don't you have a deer farm Four Season? So wouldn't this profit you? You pop up some fences and charge $3000 a day for hunting. You would get paid. People would pay that if they could for a trophy.

 

Then you have the people who actually have to hunt to put food on the table. The most respectable hunt for food hunter, would become a criminal. A ...POACHER! Because they would do what they had to do for meat in the freezer.

 

Just my thoughts.....Still want the link to that full story though.

 

 

I think it was a joke. That $3000 a hunt was me being a wise guy and he took it from there. 

But, if not............

I am not sure how the licensing works to be a guide in NY, but I am sure the insurance on such a venture would be astronomical in this day and age. It's not like asking a buddy to help you put in a new carpet, if a client gets hurt there's an 70% chance they will sue you.

 

Um, and yeah, 109,000 acres is huge! So it would either be part of the ADK Park or you know a lot of people who would give you permission to not just hunt their land, but use it as a business and make money from their land. Also, people who pay for hunts aren't going to pay to sit on the ground. Blinds and stands will need to be bought and placed. 1000 acres of just your land? That's a lot of sitting positions.

 

Dude! Chop, chop! You need to stop posting here and get busy! You only have a month to get this all done!

Edited July 25, 2015 by ....rob

[Four Season Whitetail's]

 

I think it was a joke. That $3000 a hunt was me being a wise guy and he took it from there. 

But, if not............

I am not sure how the licensing works to be a guide in NY, but I am sure the insurance on such a venture would be astronomical in this day and age. It's not like asking a buddy to help you put in a new carpet, if a client gets hurt there's an 70% chance they will sue you.

 

Um, and yeah, 109,000 acres is huge! So it would either be part of the ADK Park or you know a lot of people who would give you permission to not just hunt their land, but use it as a business and make money from their land. Also, people who pay for hunts aren't going to pay to sit on the ground. Blinds and stands will need to be bought and placed. 1000 acres of just your land? That's a lot of sitting positions.

 

Dude! Chop, chop! You need to stop posting here and get busy! You only have a month to get this all done!

 

Well Dude..Truth be known i have been doing this since you were a spot so dont worry yourself to much about what i dont know. But at least you show what you dont.  The insurance is right in part of a blanket protection. 109,000 is a military base. There are 22 watches of all different makes set up on our 963 acres of solid agriculture sitting next to 109,000 acres of very lightly used wilderness.

 

The biggest problem is getting them to hunt the wild deer, Most of them want to hunt inside the no hunting area. Funny how that happens with 200 whitetail running around. 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

And how long will this so called pedigreed buck survive without being hand fed?

Funny how well they do. Have you not heard of all the escapes across the country,Only to be shot years later? That will kick the local buck populations rack sizes and inches in high gear real quick.  Have you a real clue how those states came to start with trophy whitetails?  Do some research and see how top deer farming/high fence hunting states are also top record book states year after year...Hmmmm?

[wdswtr]

Did Chad move to NY?  aka ohiobooners?  LOL

[moog5050]

MY mistake - well FSW I hope the deer you release runs right to your worthy client's stand and poses for an easy 20yd shot.  Might be easier if you just let your client shoot it in the pen, but then again, you would lose the "fair chase" aspect I guess.  Under these circumstances, I stand corrected, it is easy to guide for a shot on a 130" minimum buck in NY. 

 

As a suggestion, don't let your hunter know that you are rooting against them so that the local population all inherit the released buck's genes.  That too would be bad for business.

 

I have no personal issues with you FSW or high fence hunting for those that choose that route - but this business plan does sound a bit absurd, at least to me.

[growalot]

I must not be understanding something here...would not be the first time...

 

But being a licensed breeder in NYS...Are you not required to keep records and documentation on all your stock...from delivery to death? Also is it not illegal to just release those, I'll assumed here ,registered animals into the wild population? Would doing so not jeopardize your permits to have that operation? Finally to that, why would you then brag on such things with out fear of being thrown into an oversight blender?

[moog5050]

I must not be understanding something here...would not be the first time...

 

But being a licensed breeder in NYS...Are you not required to keep records and documentation on all your stock...from delivery to death? Also is it not illegal to just release those, I'll assumed here ,registered animals into the wild population? Would doing so not jeopardize your permits to have that operation? Finally to that, why would you then brag on such things with out fear of being thrown into an oversight blender?

 

 

http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/25011.html

[phade]

Did Chad move to NY?  aka ohiobooners?  LOL

 

Don't even get me started on that d-bag. 

[BizCT]

http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/25011.html

 

Irrelevant! FSW is the law! 

[Paula]

I think I must must always miss something. Is the sarcasim directed at fsw because he is a deer farmer or because of what he says?

[growalot]

Paula , if that was to me ......no just straight up questions after reading those exchanges...and gosh I need to step up my game..I thought my sarcasm was better than that...

[Paula]

Not it's not you, moog and of course Biz, they aren't the only ones.

Edited July 28, 2015 by Paula

[DirtTime]

What sarcasm? 

 

 

Mine was a little of both. I also stated more then once that if people want to hunt inside a fence that's there decision. The way I see it, as a personal point of view, it's not for me. If it comes to that I will stop hunting and buy my venison from the grocery store. Because, and again, my personal point of view, it would be the same thing in my mind. 

[Paula]

He doesn't hunt his farm, you know that right. He make money off the sperm

[Four Season Whitetail's]

MY mistake - well FSW I hope the deer you release runs right to your worthy client's stand and poses for an easy 20yd shot.  Might be easier if you just let your client shoot it in the pen, but then again, you would lose the "fair chase" aspect I guess.  Under these circumstances, I stand corrected, it is easy to guide for a shot on a 130" minimum buck in NY. 

 

As a suggestion, don't let your hunter know that you are rooting against them so that the local population all inherit the released buck's genes.  That too would be bad for business.

 

I have no personal issues with you FSW or high fence hunting for those that choose that route - but this business plan does sound a bit absurd, at least to me.

You guys are thinking way to much about this. You are going to get yourselves a headache.  I dont know why you think it would be so hard to have an outfitting business in Ny. I will admit i just threw the 130 minimum out there because thats what most other states do  but still do able because we see many on our property each year.As far as shooting inside the pen?  You would be shocked at the offers recieved!

 

Grow, The DEC has no say in what we do in our business any longer. They over stepped their bounds and got sued and lost. Our animals are under the Dept Of Ag.  You are right that it is against the law to release but if you read sites like QDMA you will see how sloppy we are and let our deer out all the time. I know it does happen and i know folks have great hunting areas because of it.  Kinda makes ya wonder why someone would set deer of that magnitude free to the masses when so many are willing to pay so much to hunt them!

 

Biz, You know me well...I still have the offer up for you to be my first. I see you spend alot of cash paying people to set up your hunts on your trips. I also saw where you posted that you have very few if any good deer in your area and a post was put up by a hunter that is getting the job done very well in your area by the sounds of it. Some just dont have what it takes to get the job done and are willing to pay( As You Know) good money to have it done for them. Thats why i dont see why Moog thinks it wont work. People will pay big for big deer. Period!

 

Paula, LOL..Same ole-Same Ole...... 

[BizCT]

He clearly stated it takes "access" to the right land to be successful. Up in your rifle country, put a buck within 400 yards of me and he's dead and I only shoot about 10 shots a year as practice. Many others would buckle. Like I've told you before, if I had access to a farm/food plot where deer came to feed, I would shoot a lot more bucks. I hunt typically 3-5 days during the shotgun season. I'll day Saturday's and 1/2 day Sunday's. My dad hunts the same spot as me but is retired so he hunts everyday and has 30+ bucks out of 3N, more than 1/2 were 3.5

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Edited July 29, 2015 by Biz-R-OWorld

[Four Season Whitetail's]

He clearly stated it takes "access" to the right land to be successful.

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Yes he clearly stated what it takes for any hunter to be successful on mature trophy animals. He says they are there and he goes and does what it takes to get himself one or three. That sure is far from saying there are none or very few good animals around.

 

Some got it and some don't!

[BizCT]

Whatever makes you feel better. I'm sure I could buy a nice piece of property in NY where I could get a decent buck every year, but I just don't care that much about whitetails. Rather spend the $ on other non hunting related things and hunt for free each year

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Edited July 29, 2015 by Biz-R-OWorld