The Deer Debate

[Curmudgeon]

This event is in Margaretville this weekend. It is about deer impacts - not deer hunting - so I put it in the chit chat section. The Growing Deer Debate

October 31 @ 9:00 am - 4:00 pm

$25-Pre-registration

$30 -Price at the door

 

A day long conference for Natural Resource Professionals, Foresters, Farmers, Ochardists, Landscapers, Landowners and Nature Lovers to gather and discuss all available solutions to the growing impact the deer population is having on the environment in the Catskills Mountain Region and throughout the eastern United States.

Morning sessions will analyse the multi-faceted issue of deer impacts on the environment, while the afternoon will focus on creating solutions and challenging conventional methods in which deer have traditionally been managed.

 

http://catskillforest.org/event/the-growing-deer-debate/

[growalot]

I hope in that discussion that it is made note that the type of forestry being done now is having a great impact on the lack ot regrowth and succession.. In that in select cuttings in a hard wood /maple forest you get your brambles some shrubs and even small saplings...but with in a 2 year span the remaining mature trees left have now flurished and the tree canopy has grown wider and thicker..blocking out the sun mature trees soaking up all the moisture in it's competing state they are king...Now you have dieing shrubs...stunted saplings and disappearing brambles...heavy leaf litter and your back to an English type forest...I have been watching this for many many years....blaming deer might feel good, but it isn't the only reason

[Curmudgeon]

Someone would have to attend to find out. I won't be there. I just passed along the information.

[dbHunterNY]

I hope in that discussion that it is made note that the type of forestry being done now is having a great impact on the lack ot regrowth and succession.. In that in select cuttings in a hard wood /maple forest you get your brambles some shrubs and even small saplings...but with in a 2 year span the remaining mature trees left have now flurished and the tree canopy has grown wider and thicker..blocking out the sun mature trees soaking up all the moisture in it's competing state they are king...Now you have dieing shrubs...stunted saplings and disappearing brambles...heavy leaf litter and your back to an English type forest...I have been watching this for many many years....blaming deer might feel good, but it isn't the only reason

 

there's a difference between a logger that comes in to cash out selectively cutting money trees and leaving the rest.  then you have a "logger" that comes in to make money but does a better job to open woods up to get under story that way new growing trees won't get as much pressure and damage from wildlife.  also more importantly to the logger the trees together will not choke out growth within a couple years.  that way they continue to grow straight with fewer limbs to turn into a true veneer money tree.  that "logger" fully intends to return 15 years from then.

 

if trees are getting choked out after only two years that logger or forester needs to grow back for continued education or not be allowed back.

 

[Big Indian]

Would love to go since I'm right down the road, but would rather spend the time hunting. Hopefully they have someone recording/ taking notes for interested individuals to follow up on.

 

Perhaps, NYON (NY Outdoor News) could get some feedback and have an article for it's subscribers about what was discussed.

 

 

[growalot]

 

if trees are getting choked out after only two years that logger or forester needs to grow back for continued education or not be allowed back.

 

 This may be true but...what one is seeing now are land owners going in and making sure they have their say on how many and what trees are taken...this is where you have such things happening...people coming in to the country wanting to see some return and a bit of openness  but NOT wanting to see their trees gone at the same time...they enjoy that old english forrest look

 

 

http://www.123rf.com/photo_36111739_bright-rays-of-the-sun-in-the-morning-empty-forest.html?fromid=U3BHSFdhMHRkVGRyZXovc

[thphtm]

Grow. you started off on the wrong foot with your first responce, The people giving this talk have worked in the woods for large paper companies, wood supply companies, orchard owners and landscape company owners.they know very well which trees should be cut and which should not for regeneration and the animals that live in the woods.  Many of them are hunters also. Being that you are on the other side of the state you do not hear what they have to say every week on our local radio station,On how to clear your property and still keep the animals around.These are not your local fly by night so called loggers that come in and scalp your land of every tree that will put a buck in there pocket. These people are very well trained and have worked in there trades a long time.

[growalot]

 

I hope in that discussion that it is made note that the type of forestry being done now is having a great impact on the lack ot regrowth and succession.

 

Now I have to disagree and in saying that I went back to read the original post he made as to what speakers and types of attendees would be present. This, if you would re-read, is not a slam on forresters nor loggers....It was not directed at paper mill type lands. I also wrote that, with out an assumption, that such a meeting would be area specific.

Now I did clarify that statement in two posts and will again here,  state that parcels being bought up (mostly divided up farm lands) into 5-100 acres parcels of contiguous lands in private hands are being "select" cut in such a manner. These people want the woodland experience with homes in the woods...but they want their lawns and shade and no bugs long picturesque views across their woods..most are not hunters looking for quality habitat. Now all I said was ...I hope that is a topic discussed Seeing....

 

 

Landscapers, Landowners and Nature Lovers to gather and discuss all available solutions to the growing impact the deer population

 

Edited October 28, 2015 by growalot

[Doc]

It sounds like the anti-deer forces are thinking of going on the offensive. By the way, that group is the same selection of interests that they use for the CTFs that set the deer density targets for the DEC, except that this bunch don't seem interested in any hunters attending that I could see .... lol.