I Love this Laser!

[Tacti_Steve]

Finally got my NCStar red laser sighted in this week and I don't know why every gun doesn't just come with one! This thing is cheap and works great once you get it sighted in. Sighting it in is a PIA though. But if you want spend more you can get one that's easier. 

Pup tracked one to a slick tree to start the night. I think it had just come down the tree about a minute before he got there but he couldn't figure it out. Then saw this one from a ways away. I called him over and he tree checked until he found it. Typical pup sometimes he impresses sometimes just frustrates.

 

 

[Hock3y24]

What state is this

[Tacti_Steve]

NYS

[ny hunter]

Nice...........

[shawnhu]

I had one, didn't last very long.

IMO, unless you're using iron sights, I don't see an advantage using a small laser such as this.

I know folks that night hunt generally either use the ND3 or a high intensity LED torch mounted on a scope. Although the ND3 is pricey, the LED torches are very affordable.

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[Tacti_Steve]

I have a light on the pic rail too. I like the laser as it makes sure there's no branches in the way. You know right where that round is going to go. I do have a scope on the gun but now that I have the laser that might go. 

[Elmo]

Normally I would imaging treeing a coon, a laser sight is better than a scope since all your shots would be at very close range.  A scope at night is hard to pick up if the coon moves.  But then again, is 5 shots typically needed to drop a coon from a tree?  Maybe a scope with lights might be better.  Don't know.  Just asking since I've never coon hunted or run dogs.

[Tacti_Steve]

No I usually only shoot them once and wait for them to pass out and fall. I unloaded like that because I was impatient and recording it. A scope is almost a must have at night. Trying to pick through the branches, they blend into the tree really well if they're not looking at you. Plus it picks up the light better. Often your light doesn't hit the iron sights to even see them. The laser (this is the second time I've used it) seems to make it much easier to pick through the branches and you don't have to worry about enough light in the scope. Granted you still need something once in a while to help you look through the tree. Plus it was just cool

[Lawdwaz]

.22 I'd guess?

[shawnhu]

No I usually only shoot them once and wait for them to pass out and fall. I unloaded like that because I was impatient and recording it. A scope is almost a must have at night. Trying to pick through the branches, they blend into the tree really well if they're not looking at you. Plus it picks up the light better. Often your light doesn't hit the iron sights to even see them. The laser (this is the second time I've used it) seems to make it much easier to pick through the branches and you don't have to worry about enough light in the scope. Granted you still need something once in a while to help you look through the tree. Plus it was just cool

Unless the laser is mounted inside the gun barrel, there's no guarantee the bullet won't hit a branch. Even then, the drop of the bullet vs the straight line from the laser will never travel the same path. So there's NEVER a guarantee of branch-free shooting.

I don't think I would ever shoot with iron sights at night, laser or no laser.

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[DirtTime]

Unless the laser is mounted inside the gun barrel, there's no guarantee the bullet won't hit a branch. Even then, the drop of the bullet vs the straight line from the laser will never travel the same path. So there's NEVER a guarantee of branch-free shooting.

I don't think I would ever shoot with iron sights at night, laser or no laser.

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So, you are saying bullet drop is different from a laser sight, a scope, iron sights, and a bead?

[shawnhu]

So, you are saying bullet drop is different from a laser sight, a scope, iron sights, and a bead?

Relying on a laser for the purposes of avoiding branches at night is not a good reason for me to use one.

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[DirtTime]

Relying on a laser for the purposes of avoiding branches at night is not a good reason for me to use one.

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I agree with that. But no sight will have an effect on how a bullet preforms. Even if it's inside the barrel. A bullet does what it does, and we use the sights to compensate. 

[Tacti_Steve]

.22 I'd guess?

Yes I use a Marlin Model 60 22 because here in NY it cannot be considered an assault weapon when I put a foregrip, buffer tube and pistol grip on it. When Raccoon hunting you're not shooting far enough to worry about the bullet dropping. I sighted it in for 25 yards. A 40 yard shot to the top of a tree is a long shot when Raccoon hunting. I'm not saying you're going to miss every branch because of it, but it's another thing to help. And for $15 (the cost of that laser) it's worth it.

[Tacti_Steve]

Relying on a laser for the purposes of avoiding branches at night is not a good reason for me to use one.

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So what is a good reason to you? Really just curious. 

[shawnhu]

So what is a good reason to you? Really just curious.

Personally, I would use his type of laser for a semi-auto, iron sights, and at a limited range, 25-50 yards or so. I would use it during the day where I won't need any other additional lighting.

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[Tacti_Steve]

Personally, I would use his type of laser for a semi-auto, iron sights, and at a limited range, 25-50 yards or so. I would use it during the day where I won't need any other additional lighting.

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Interesting. I find it most helpful at night when I can't see everything clear as day. Most of my shots are 15-50 yards so I'm with you there. I shoot a semi. I used a bolt action for a while but found the semi easier. Kind of off topic but you wouldn't believe the number of times Raccoon's will come down or jump out at you. You get into a fair amount of rapid fire situations. 

 

Because I shoot at night I use a scope but I see your point there. My question for you (and anyone else) is that if a laser helps with target acquisition and accuracy thereby improving safety why wouldn't you want it? Even if it doesn't help all the time for the situations it does isn't it worth the $20? 

[shawnhu]

Interesting. I find it most helpful at night when I can't see everything clear as day. Most of my shots are 15-50 yards so I'm with you there. I shoot a semi. I used a bolt action for a while but found the semi easier. Kind of off topic but you wouldn't believe the number of times Raccoon's will come down or jump out at you. You get into a fair amount of rapid fire situations.

Because I shoot at night I use a scope but I see your point there. My question for you (and anyone else) is that if a laser helps with target acquisition and accuracy thereby improving safety why wouldn't you want it? Even if it doesn't help all the time for the situations it does isn't it worth the $20?

I don't find a need for it, because like you, I use a scope at night. When using a scope at night, you can't rely solely on that type of laser, you also need another source of light that covers the entire scope view, like an ND3 or LED light or perhaps night vision scope. But if you have either one of the above mentioned, this type of laser then becomes redundant. This is just in my experience.

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[Tacti_Steve]

I don't find a need for it, because like you, I use a scope at night. When using a scope at night, you can't rely solely on that type of laser, you also need another source of light that covers the entire scope view, like an ND3 or LED light or perhaps night vision scope. But if you have either one of the above mentioned, this type of laser then becomes redundant. This is just in my experience.

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I mostly agree. It is redundant a lot of the time. But so is a safety on the trigger if your finger isn't on the trigger. Granted a much more extreme comparison. I take safety very serious. I hunt a lot of the time within a mile of the village I live in. Shooting in the air isn't safe. I miss and that bullet goes a long ways. I therefore personally place a high value on anything that increases my accuracy. Likewise if anything makes me less accurate I don't want it. And I do often times shoot shorts or longs instead of long rifle rounds. 

 

I also have a good light on my pic rail and another on my head. They light up the scope rather well but I find that still I can't see branches in-between and bounce the rounds off of them. 

 

I'm just trying to play devils advocate here don't get mad at me. You don't see the need for it and I love the thing and think everyone should at least have one even if they don't use it. That is what makes our freedom great. 

[shawnhu]

I mostly agree. It is redundant a lot of the time. But so is a safety on the trigger if your finger isn't on the trigger. Granted a much more extreme comparison. I take safety very serious. I hunt a lot of the time within a mile of the village I live in. Shooting in the air isn't safe. I miss and that bullet goes a long ways. I therefore personally place a high value on anything that increases my accuracy. Likewise if anything makes me less accurate I don't want it. And I do often times shoot shorts or longs instead of long rifle rounds.

I also have a good light on my pic rail and another on my head. They light up the scope rather well but I find that still I can't see branches in-between and bounce the rounds off of them.

I'm just trying to play devils advocate here don't get mad at me. You don't see the need for it and I love the thing and think everyone should at least have one even if they don't use it. That is what makes our freedom great.

I'm not against it, I've used it before. But just stating why I wouldn't use it under the same circumstances.

What works for one might not work for another. If it makes you a better, safer shot, go for it.

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