NY Deer Hunter Survey Results

[Five Seasons]

I'll let this one rest gjs4. I understand both doe and I gave you unsolicited feedback. I'm doing pretty darn well too, but I'm always am open to constructive criticism. Our comments come from a good place. If you were trying to achieve a goal with your survey and were to share it with legislators or a special interest group, you're not going to get far. I've sat with executives who have dismissed a whole powerpoint presentation because the bullet formatting wasn't consistent. Just my .02.

[Doewhacker]

I'll let this one rest gjs4. I understand both doe and I gave you unsolicited feedback. I'm doing pretty darn well too, but I'm always am open to constructive criticism. Our comments come from a good place. If you were trying to achieve a goal with your survey and were to share it with legislators or a special interest group, you're not going to get far. I've sat with executives who have dismissed a whole powerpoint presentation because the bullet formatting wasn't consistent. Just my .02.

 

Agreed.

 

I also pointed out to gjs4 just how easy it would be for the DEC to complete an email survey a few weeks ago when the Web-less migratory bird hunting survey came out. I am sure that got ignored too.

 

If it were me, I would be pushing for the DEC to produce a survey on a larger scale in that format that might be use full.

[phade]

I get critiqued for wearing modern-day color dress shirts (bright colors) at work. I was told I needed to buy white dress shirts or light blue, etc.

 

Eventually...results overcame that. Now I'll be talking in front of 60 other leaders in 20 minutes and I'm donning a plaid neon pink/black/white dress shirt.

 

So to tie it back - if the message is clear, the survey is what it is. I did find it strange that ~95% said they report their used tags but DEC documents a much lower percentage.

 

[Five Seasons]

I never got critiqued for my one plum colored dress shirt, just get my balls busted. To your point, results trump most of everything else, but it's important to portray a professional image if you want to be taken seriously.

[gjs4]

I made a survey on my topics, my way and sent it to whom I felt would benefit the most from it. If you can do better, do it.

 

If you feel you're great at critiquing- throw one out for us to pick apart as open communication with feedback is so valuable.

 

It is always a sign of true articulation and intellect to unjustly name- call someone a whiner because they don't like your cause as well. Why on Earth would they turn your advice down? Take all the keyboard hero shots you want boys....I'll be here laughing about my achievements with just cause.

[Five Seasons]

Just curious. What did you achieve with this survey?

[gjs4]

Putting tangible numbers to questions had and the ability to show a grass roots survey through some of the more vocal social media venues had results that contradicted what our state has given us..which provided a few onion layers for consideration.... And last and least- the ability to say I ran with some passion to find facts, share those facts trying to illustrate some suspect concerns rather than just being another keyboard hero touting my opinion is better than the next lazy uninformed person on a given forum

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[phade]

You do have to admit that the survey results do differ from what the DEC has said in many of their disclosures.

 

Methodology imperfections aside, the results are so far different in some of those categories that it does raise valid questions.

 

 

[Five Seasons]

Yet there's no summary or points for consideration to put any meaning to the numbers. For example, if Fox News ran a pole for next president then it's not going to be accurate given their audience. The dec survey targets license holders, this survey targeted hunters on a forum. What about hunters who participate in a forum gives us such different results? I know many really good New York hunters not on this site. So what does that say for all of us?

Those are the conclusions we should think about, not getting offended because of our thin skin.

[phade]

If 95 percent of hunters say they report tags vs 40 percent the DEC states, it doesn't get much more polar than that. There's something profoundly evident-either the DEC says people are lying, or the DEC is guessing.

Plus - running a pole is different than running a poll.

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

If 95 percent of hunters say they report tags vs 40 percent the DEC states, it doesn't get much more polar than that. There's something profoundly evident-either the DEC says people are lying, or the DEC is guessing.

Plus - running a pole is different than running a poll.

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I am with the DEC on this one. Not with many but they would be close with this number i would guess.

[Five Seasons]

If 95 percent of hunters say they report tags vs 40 percent the DEC states, it doesn't get much more polar than that. There's something profoundly evident-either the DEC says people are lying, or the DEC is guessing.

Plus - running a pole is different than running a poll.

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Haha I caught that this morning when I read it again. Was hoping nobody noticed... But i did have an interesting Saturday night

[The_Real_TCIII]

I get critiqued for wearing modern-day color dress shirts (bright colors) at work. I was told I needed to buy white dress shirts or light blue, etc.

Eventually...results overcame that. Now I'll be talking in front of 60 other leaders in 20 minutes and I'm donning a plaid neon pink/black/white dress shirt.

So to tie it back - if the message is clear, the survey is what it is. I did find it strange that ~95% said they report their used tags but DEC documents a much lower percentage.

im gonna need to see this shirt

[turkeyfeathers]

im gonna need to see this shirt

and I double dog dare him to wear it opening day at deer camp

[The_Real_TCIII]

and I double dog dare him to wear it opening day at deer camp

Him?? Now I'm extra confused

I kid, Phade. I'd roll in a loud shirt any day

[beachpeaz]

You guys a deplorable.  I rarely get involved in pissing contests on this forum, but to listen to a bunch of you who have done NOTHING other than criticize someone for making an effort to gather opinions is ridiculous.

 

REGARDLESS if gjs survey accomplished his target, at least he took at shot at trying to gather opinions that the DEC didn't bother with.

 

The DEC gathered 2,800 opinions out of 550,000 hunters and used that as a representative of all of us.  He collected 750 opinions with little more than a couple bucks and this useless forum.  Goes to show, if nothing else, how little our DEC tries to capture the essence of our hunting community.

 

You all have 2 choices:  Do your own survey however the heck you want or shut the $%# up.

 

Sitting in your chair criticizing the questions, the content, the results, the person who did it, while doing NOTHING to contribute to our hunting community says more about who you are than the person who at least tried.

[Doewhacker]

You guys a deplorable.  I rarely get involved in pissing contests on this forum, but to listen to a bunch of you who have done NOTHING other than criticize someone for making an effort to gather opinions is ridiculous.

 

REGARDLESS if gjs survey accomplished his target, at least he took at shot at trying to gather opinions that the DEC didn't bother with.

 

The DEC gathered 2,800 opinions out of 550,000 hunters and used that as a representative of all of us.  He collected 750 opinions with little more than a couple bucks and this useless forum.  Goes to show, if nothing else, how little our DEC tries to capture the essence of our hunting community.

 

You all have 2 choices:  Do your own survey however the heck you want or shut the $%# up.

 

Sitting in your chair criticizing the questions, the content, the results, the person who did it, while doing NOTHING to contribute to our hunting community says more about who you are than the person who at least tried.

 

Really?

 

Where were you when the DEC stuck AR's in areas based on survey results of @230 people that were selected based on membership to clubs that were for the AR's?

 

2800 responses offers a significant statistical group to draw from but I won't bother you with that fact.

 

Speaking of contributing nothing, what exactly did this survey contribute other than negative views of the DEC and what have you ever done?

 

 

Give me a break, most forum members are content arguing BS topics here and will never ever do anything to promote hunting or attempt to change or prevent change of anything. I do attempt it.

[beachpeaz]

Really?

 

Where were you when the DEC stuck AR's in areas based on survey results of @230 people that were selected based on membership to clubs that were for the AR's?

 

2800 responses offers a significant statistical group to draw from but I won't bother you with that fact.

 

Speaking of contributing nothing, what exactly did this survey contribute other than negative views of the DEC and what have you ever done?

 

 

Give me a break, most forum members are content arguing BS topics here and will never ever do anything to promote hunting or attempt to change or prevent change of anything. I do attempt it.

 

2,800 responses out of 550,000 is a significant statistical group?  Why don't you regurgitate the DEC's BS a bit more.  Did Jeremy whisper that in your ear himself?  That is .51%.  There isn't a survey on earth that .51% would be an acceptable sample size.  That is 1 person per 200.  If you used that philosophy to run anything else you would be a socialist.  Who cares about the populous of 199, lets let one ahole with an opinion vote for all of us.  But hey, Jeremy said it was ok, so it must be.  Baaaa said the sheep.

 

And how ignorant can you be regarding the view of the survey.  EVERY question could be answered positively or negatively and yet it was meant to contribute negative views of the DEC?  Dude, could you possibly throw any more illogical responses around this forum.  You are on a roll!

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Really?

 

Where were you when the DEC stuck AR's in areas based on survey results of @230 people that were selected based on membership to clubs that were for the AR's?

 

2800 responses offers a significant statistical group to draw from but I won't bother you with that fact.

 

Speaking of contributing nothing, what exactly did this survey contribute other than negative views of the DEC and what have you ever done?

 

 

Give me a break, most forum members are content arguing BS topics here and will never ever do anything to promote hunting or attempt to change or prevent change of anything. I do attempt it.

And this statement shows a little more of the DEC's true colors.  Make your own choices on your own property.

[Doewhacker]

2,800 responses out of 550,000 is a significant statistical group? Why don't you regurgitate the DEC's BS a bit more. Did Jeremy whisper that in your ear himself? That is .51%. There isn't a survey on earth that .51% would be an acceptable sample size. That is 1 person per 200. If you used that philosophy to run anything else you would be a socialist. Who cares about the populous of 199, lets let one ahole with an opinion vote for all of us. But hey, Jeremy said it was ok, so it must be. Baaaa said the sheep.

And how ignorant can you be regarding the view of the survey. EVERY question could be answered positively or negatively and yet it was meant to contribute negative views of the DEC? Dude, could you possibly throw any more illogical responses around this forum. You are on a roll!

It's obvious with your last two responses you have a screw loose.

I used to have that opinion of survey sample sizes until Phade explained it on here once. You don't strike me as an individual that can change an opinion or learn anything you don't agree with though.

So do tell what you have done to change or help hunting in anyway.

[Doewhacker]

And this statement shows a little more of the DEC's true colors. Make your own choices on your own property.

Huh?

The Dec basically says that except we all know you advocate for going beyond what the laws states and doing as you please. Psst law breakers don't matter when deciding game regulations.

[gjs4]

Really?

Where were you when the DEC stuck AR's in areas based on survey results of @230 people that were selected based on membership to clubs that were for the AR's?

2800 responses offers a significant statistical group to draw from but I won't bother you with that fact.

Speaking of contributing nothing, what exactly did this survey contribute other than negative views of the DEC and what have you ever done?

Give me a break, most forum members are content arguing BS topics here and will never ever do anything to promote hunting or attempt to change or prevent change of anything. I do attempt it.

So you didn't like my survey doewhacker? I didn't make the results so maybe you should also dislike the 750 people who voted. That counts as doing something" doesn't it?

[gjs4]

And this statement shows a little more of the DEC's true colors. Make your own choices on your own property.

Although I have guzzled from the deer management trough there are two big misses here. 1) deer don't just live on a property and 2) the vast majority of hunters just follow DEC lead initiate and commentary. It's easy to say don't shoot a doe on your ground based on census but if you live in genesee co and there are 50-60000 dmps or shared ground...you don't have to do anything and it's done for you.

[gjs4]

When an argument results to name calling; the accuser has lost. - Confucius the Deer

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[Five Seasons]

I want to be clear, I have no problem with the survey and applaud you for putting it together, I was just giving what I thought was constructive criticism. Never put you or the survey down, re-read my fist 2 posts and read your response and tell me who sounds "deplorable"