moog5050 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 For those interested, I closely compared the two tonight. I shoot 125g and the rage were dead on. The knock offs were 120g. Nothing critical. When deployed, the rage have a 2.125" cut while the KO had 2.35". Sharpness felt about the same. When locked open, the rage blade has an edge that runs perpendicular to the shaft - a T so to speak. The KO have a slight arch upward. Seems to me that the T is a more rigid stronger design but I am no engineer. Cost isn't even close. About $13/head vs $1.25/head. If I use the compound at all this season, I wouldn't hesitate to give the KO a try but if cost is not a consideration, I give the edge to the rage due to the T design. Also, if you are shooting a heavy bow like me, the extra cutting length won't matter but if you shoot a bow where penetration may be a question, the original rage may be the better choice. All for for what it's worth. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneam2006 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I will be shooting them this year. So far in practice they fly true hit with fp and completly tear thru my target. I am 100 percent confident in them and for the price of them I won't feel bad shooting other animals with them too...squirrel yotes ectSent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneam2006 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 BTW good post moogSent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Your post indicative of why I am shooting $4/heads (cheapest mechanical or close to it at Walmart). I have been carrying for a year a $4 locking knife I bought from Walmart. Used it a couple hundred times. I just don't believe a mechanical broad head should cost $12-15. Engineering on them is simple, materials are cheap, construction is easy.If anybody can produce a good test with a hooter shooter showing a particular head hitting where fields do and the other brands reliably off by some margin I would happily pay $15/head, but I bet they can't Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Core said: Your post indicative of why I am shooting $4/heads (cheapest mechanical or close to it at Walmart). I have been carrying for a year a $4 locking knife I bought from Walmart. Used it a couple hundred times. I just don't believe a mechanical broad head should cost $12-15. Engineering on them is simple, materials are cheap, construction is easy. If anybody can produce a good test with a hooter shooter showing a particular head hitting where fields do and the other brands reliably off by some margin I would happily pay $15/head, but I bet they can't Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Actually, I have seen those tests in BH magazine but your own testing should be sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billdogge Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I have them also and won't hesitate to let one fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contender Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 What is considered a "heavy bow"? Is 55-60 pounds enough? I have read several reviews on this head and all of them recommend that this head should be shot from a heavy bow but none of them specify exactly what a heavy bow is. Any help appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 I shoot 80lbs but think 70 is fine. Personally, i would avoid mechanicals at 60lbs or lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_TCIII Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I've killed a whole lot of critters with mechs at 60lbs. Deer, bears, and hogs. IMO 60 is plenty for any head. I'm hunting with Chinese schwackers this seasonSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 Can't argue with your experience TC. Rage recommends a minimum of 55lbs for the hypo. If I was shooting that weight, I personally would stick with a slick trick or similar coc head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Contender said: What is considered a "heavy bow"? Is 55-60 pounds enough? I have read several reviews on this head and all of them recommend that this head should be shot from a heavy bow but none of them specify exactly what a heavy bow is. Any help appreciated. Varies by head and also bow (60 lbs from a new bow is faster than 70 from an old)--ultimately the only thing that matters is the KE it's hitting with! This head for example says 60 lb bow, but doesn't get to a truly meaningful number (KE): http://www.ragebroadheads.com/x-treme-125-grain/ Edited September 29, 2016 by Core Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_TCIII Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Can't argue with your experience TC. Rage recommends a minimum of 55lbs for the hypo. If I was shooting that weight, I personally would stick with a slick trick or similar coc head. To Cores point it's more about speed than weight, I'm a tall guy so I have 30" of power stroke and shoot a fairly heavy arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 Again not arguing it won't kill deer but even according to the manufacturer, that's borderline. I don't like borderline. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_TCIII Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 They should recommend a kinetic energy rather than a draw weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 23 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said: They should recommend a kinetic energy rather than a draw weight I agree KE is more telling than DW. Some would argue that momentum is a better measurement than KE but in simple terms and all other things being equal, more DW produces more of both. I guess rage tries to keep it simple for the majority of archers. Anyways, you know best what works for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNY Bowhunter Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) Both of these does were taken last year with the "fake" Chinese hypos...both died within sight. I have a quiver full of them ready to rock this weekend!!! Edited September 29, 2016 by WNY Bowhunter 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdswtr Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 But they are illegal in NY are they not? The Rage Hypodermics that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdswtr Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) I think this has been brought up several times before as them being illegal in NY, was there ever a conclusion drawn? Edited September 29, 2016 by wdswtr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNY Bowhunter Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_TCIII Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though.That's correct. I remember someone posted an email they got from a Jeremy Hurst stating that they consider the three blade to be barbed. The G5 Tekan too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_TCIII Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though.That's correct. I remember someone posted an email they got from a Jeremy Hurst stating that they consider the three blade to be barbed. The G5 Tekan too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdswtr Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 53 minutes ago, WNY Bowhunter said: No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though. So the blades fully retract when pulled out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdswtr Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 53 minutes ago, WNY Bowhunter said: No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though. So the blades fully retract when pulled out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 6 hours ago, wdswtr said: So the blades fully retract when pulled out? Yes, the hypos are fine. Not barbed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfdeputy2 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I can't find the E-Mail but I was told by DEC a couple years ago the only rage illegal in NY were the 3 blades also on the list were the G5 Havocs which I had bought a few days before still have them never used them. I found the locking mechanism to be a pita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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