Rage hypo vs hypo knock off

[moog5050]

For those interested, I closely compared the two tonight.   I shoot 125g and the rage were dead on.  The knock offs were 120g.  Nothing critical. When deployed, the rage have a 2.125" cut while the KO had 2.35".   Sharpness felt about the same.  When locked open, the rage blade has an edge that runs perpendicular to the shaft - a T so to speak.  The KO have a slight arch upward.  Seems to me that the T is a more rigid stronger design but I am no engineer.   Cost isn't even close. About $13/head vs $1.25/head.  

If I use the compound at all this season, I wouldn't hesitate to give the KO a try but if cost is not a consideration, I give the edge to the rage due to the T design.   Also, if you are shooting a heavy bow like me, the extra cutting length won't matter but if you shoot a bow where penetration may be a question, the original rage may be the better choice. 

 

All for for what it's worth. 

[stoneam2006]

I will be shooting them this year. So far in practice they fly true hit with fp and completly tear thru my target. I am 100 percent confident in them and for the price of them I won't feel bad shooting other animals with them too...squirrel yotes ect

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[stoneam2006]

BTW good post moog

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[Core]

Your post indicative of why I am shooting $4/heads (cheapest mechanical or close to it at Walmart). I have been carrying for a year a $4 locking knife I bought from Walmart. Used it a couple hundred times. I just don't believe a mechanical broad head should cost $12-15. Engineering on them is simple, materials are cheap, construction is easy.

If anybody can produce a good test with a hooter shooter showing a particular head hitting where fields do and the other brands reliably off by some margin I would happily pay $15/head, but I bet they can't


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[moog5050]

6 minutes ago, Core said:

Your post indicative of why I am shooting $4/heads (cheapest mechanical or close to it at Walmart). I have been carrying for a year a $4 locking knife I bought from Walmart. Used it a couple hundred times. I just don't believe a mechanical broad head should cost $12-15. Engineering on them is simple, materials are cheap, construction is easy.

If anybody can produce a good test with a hooter shooter showing a particular head hitting where fields do and the other brands reliably off by some margin I would happily pay $15/head, but I bet they can't


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Actually, I have seen those tests in BH magazine but your own testing should be sufficient. 

[Billdogge]

I have them also and won't hesitate to let one fly

[Contender]

What is considered a "heavy bow"?

Is 55-60 pounds enough?

I have read several reviews on this head and all of them recommend that this head should be shot from a heavy bow but none of them specify exactly what a heavy bow is.

Any help appreciated.

[moog5050]

I shoot 80lbs but think 70 is fine.  Personally, i would avoid mechanicals at 60lbs or lower. 

[The_Real_TCIII]

I've killed a whole lot of critters with mechs at 60lbs. Deer, bears, and hogs. IMO 60 is plenty for any head. I'm hunting with Chinese schwackers this season


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[moog5050]

Can't argue with your experience TC. Rage recommends a minimum of 55lbs for the hypo.  If I was shooting that weight, I personally would stick with a slick trick or similar coc head. 

[Core]

 

28 minutes ago, Contender said:

What is considered a "heavy bow"?

Is 55-60 pounds enough?

I have read several reviews on this head and all of them recommend that this head should be shot from a heavy bow but none of them specify exactly what a heavy bow is.

Any help appreciated.

Varies by head and also bow (60 lbs from a new bow is faster than 70 from an old)--ultimately the only thing that matters is the KE it's hitting with!

This head for example says 60 lb bow, but doesn't get to a truly meaningful number (KE): http://www.ragebroadheads.com/x-treme-125-grain/

Edited September 29, 2016 by Core

[The_Real_TCIII]

Can't argue with your experience TC. Rage recommends a minimum of 55lbs for the hypo.  If I was shooting that weight, I personally would stick with a slick trick or similar coc head. 

To Cores point it's more about speed than weight, I'm a tall guy so I have 30" of power stroke and shoot a fairly heavy arrow

[moog5050]

Again not arguing it won't kill deer but even according to the manufacturer, that's borderline.  I don't like borderline.  Just my opinion. 

[The_Real_TCIII]

They should recommend a kinetic energy rather than a draw weight

[moog5050]

23 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

They should recommend a kinetic energy rather than a draw weight

I agree KE is more telling than DW.  Some would argue that momentum is a better measurement than KE but in simple terms and all other things being equal, more DW produces more of both.  I guess rage tries to keep it simple for the majority of archers.  Anyways, you know best what works for you. 

[WNY Bowhunter]

Both of these does were taken last year with the "fake" Chinese hypos...both died within sight. I have a quiver full of them ready to rock this weekend!!!

 

Edited September 29, 2016 by WNY Bowhunter

[wdswtr]

But they are illegal in NY are they not?  The Rage Hypodermics that is.

[wdswtr]

I think this has been brought up several times before as them being illegal in NY, was there ever a conclusion drawn?

Edited September 29, 2016 by wdswtr

[WNY Bowhunter]

No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though.

[The_Real_TCIII]

No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though.

That's correct. I remember someone posted an email they got from a Jeremy Hurst stating that they consider the three blade to be barbed. The G5 Tekan too

[The_Real_TCIII]

No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though.

That's correct. I remember someone posted an email they got from a Jeremy Hurst stating that they consider the three blade to be barbed. The G5 Tekan too

[wdswtr]

53 minutes ago, WNY Bowhunter said:

No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though.

So the blades fully retract when pulled out?

[wdswtr]

53 minutes ago, WNY Bowhunter said:

No, they aren't barbed. I believe the Rage 3 bladed heads are illegal though.

So the blades fully retract when pulled out?

[moog5050]

6 hours ago, wdswtr said:

So the blades fully retract when pulled out?

Yes, the hypos are fine.  Not barbed. 

[gfdeputy2]

I can't find the E-Mail but I was told by DEC a couple years ago the only rage illegal in NY were the 3 blades

also on the list were the G5 Havocs which I had bought a few days before still have them never used them. I found the locking mechanism to be a pita