Only 900 DMP's This year for our WMU

[burmjohn]

I wonder why only  900 DMP's This year for our WMU?  There seem to be deer (doe) everywhere.

[Doewhacker]

Maybe they figured on a large winter kill? Don't know, but 900 is better than 0 where we are in 4S, unless you are a Landowner or vet...good thing for bow tags. We have LOTS of does running around too. And then right next door in 4T there are plenty of permits, 2700 to be exact. I don't know if I am even going to bother with trying to get a doe permit this year for our other spots.

[burmjohn]

Yeah seems odd, they cut it in 1/2.  Thats a pretty big cut.  I'm not bitching, just curious why.  Wish they gave reason for each WMU.

[Doewhacker]

It would be nice to know the why's behind everything. Alot of guys got their permits cut, I feel bad for the strictly gun hunters in those areas. Alot of guys have been saying they haven't seen much these last few years, maybe DEC has verified that?

[burmjohn]

Hopefully If thats the case they havn't seen much, then thats a good reason to cut the dmp's.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

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Email this guy. Jeremy Hurst, NY DEC biologist. He'll give you the rundown.

[burmjohn]

I just did, I'll let you guys know the response.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Here's some similar questions I asked last year.

Mr. ,

Thanks for your comments on deer management in New York.

Our data from WMU 4H indicates that the deer population is about 25% below the target level, so our management action has been for conservative antlerless harvest.  Our target DMP issuance for this year was 1,100 tags, the same as last year, yet we typically have about 5,000 applicants interested in those tags.  So we are only able to issue DMPs in 4H to applicants with preference points.

Jeremy Hurst

Wildlife Biologist

NYSDEC, Bureau of Wildlife

625 Broadway, 5th Floor

Albany, NY 12233

Phone: 518-402-8867

Fax: 518-402-8925

[email protected]

10/15/2009 4:50 PM >>>

1)      I’d like to know why preference points are required for a DMP in 4H? Its seems to have a good deer per square mile ratio. 

2)      Is there any hope of using rifles on the Partridge Run/ West side of Albany County (4H)? It is much less densely populated than other counties where rifles are legal.

3)      I personally feel that lowering the legal discharge distance for a compound bow to 200 ft will increase the hunting opportunity (decrease deer population) significantly in many areas.

Thank you for your time, 

[wztirem]

Perhaps the reduction of DMP's is a response to doe harvests with ML's. It would be worth a look to see the how many does have been killed over the past several years during the ML season.

[Larry]

Hey guys seeing you live or hunt where the AR zones are has the number of hunters in those WMU’s increased or decreased or stayed the same. Seeing in most of the AR WMU’s you have little or no chance of getting a DMP.

[burmjohn]

Hunters prob increased cause of all the big bucks we got now

[Fairgame]

It is mainly private land by us.  What I can tell you is that we have friends and family that own their own property in a non antler restricted zone but choose to hunt in our area.

[wztirem]

PDF]  Antler Restrictions in New York  File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View

Facts for hunters in New York. What are ARs? ➢ Antler restrictions are a way of protecting a certain age class or classes of bucks by ...

www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/arposter09.pdf    Hunter Attitudes about Antler Restrictions - NYS Dept. of ...  This page displays survey results of hunter attitudes about mandatory antler restriction programs in New York State. Links to various survey reports are ...

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[wztirem]

Hopefully If thats the case they havn't seen much, then thats a good reason to cut the dmp's.

Attached is a link on how the NYSDEC arrives at DMP Quotas.

Understanding DMPs: Quota Setting and Permit Selection - NYS Dept ...

Quota setting is only the first part of the DMP process. The next step is to ...  www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/47743.html

[burmjohn]

Jeremy got back to me, check out this link: http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/37304.html

There are a bunch of PDFs at the end that give unit by unit analysis.

[burmjohn]

For the lazy This is what was said for 3H

WMU 3H is located in the southwestern corner of the region, primarily in Sullivan County. The majority of this unit is forested. Soils in this area are shallow, rocky, and mineral deficient. Some agricultural activity still occurs on a relatively small scale, as well as logging on private properties. Large land-holdings owned by hunting clubs have done much to improve deer habitats in local settings, but forest cuttings are the best way to improve deer habitat in this unit. The 2009 buck take in this unit was the highest seen since the inception of the antler point restriction in 2006, most likely due to low DMP availability in 2006. However, higher doe harvests in 2007 and 2008 may lead to further declines in the deer population in the near future, including the 2010 season. Because of this the buck harvest is expected to drop slightly this year. In response to this expected decline, only resident hunters with preference points will be able to obtain DMPs this year.