brand and grain decisions

[apoallo]

I am recently bought a H&R(NEF) Survivor rifle in .308 win. For deer . I am trying to figure out the type of ammo the gun shoots the best with. I know the best way is to try out a bunch of ammos but that can get real expensive and money is tight hense buying the H&R. I personally like H&R especially the Ultra slug deluxe. anyway.. I have tried Remington core lokt in 150 grain and the shots were all over the paper at 100. No groupings what so ever. I also tried Winchester power point 150 grain and I now have some type of groupings at 100. however I still want them to be tighter. Does anyone have experience with this type of rifle? or maybe have any suggestions on how to find better grouping.. higher grain, lower grain etc... Brand?

[erussell]

I am recently bought a H&R(NEF) Survivor rifle in .308 win. For deer . I am trying to figure out the type of ammo the gun shoots the best with. I know the best way is to try out a bunch of ammos but that can get real expensive and money is tight hense buying the H&R. I personally like H&R especially the Ultra slug deluxe. anyway.. I have tried Remington core lokt in 150 grain and the shots were all over the paper at 100. No groupings what so ever. I also tried Winchester power point 150 grain and I now have some type of groupings at 100. however I still want them to be tighter. Does anyone have experience with this type of rifle? or maybe have any suggestions on how to find better grouping.. higher grain, lower grain etc... Brand?

I owned 3 of them, one in 25-06, 270., and 223. None of them shot great ( prob 3in groups at 100 yrds) but good enough to kill deer at close ranges. I always just used remington corlocs.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

What twist is in that barrel?

[ants]

I have one in 22-250 I bought last winter. It shot like crap with Win. 55gr. ammo. I switched to Federal 55's and it grouped way better but not all that great at 100 yards. I don't think they're know for being real accurate but you should be able to get it dialed in enough to be a good reliable deer gun.

Make sure everything is tight on your mount. and maybe try one more brand of ammo but dont expect to put them through the same hole.

Good luck

[Elmo]

I just bought a compact model in 223. Haven't got a chance to do anything with it yet. Literally bought it, took it home, sat it in the closet, and have not laid a finger on it since. Been busy this whole past two weeks.

Check out these tips.

http://www.varminthunters.com/tech/nef.html

There was a section on this site also with tips and everyone there also talked about the rubber stopper to "float" the barrel making a huge difference.

[apoallo]

my buddy has the H&R ultra hunter rifle .308 my rifle and his are virtually the same all inner workings and parts are the same except my havea bull barrel and my barrel is 2 inches shorter than his. we use the same winchester ammo and he is getting shots going through the same hole or close to it. I was just looking at the Savage 11 11FL .308 left handed. anyone know how the savage shoots?

[Elmo]

I have 2 Savages. A centerfire and a rimfire. Love them both.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

If you are near me I would be willing to help you set this up and work up a load for it. I can get you on 50-200 yard tables at the club I belong to. PM me

[apoallo]

• well i called uo H&R for the second time asking if they recommend a grain and brand of ammo for deer and for good groupings and this guy told me for the survivor .308 to shoot ammo 165 grain and up because the 150 was too light. this would jelp with accuracy. the first time i called them a few months back they said 150 grain.
  

[erussell]

• well i called uo H&R for the second time asking if they recommend a grain and brand of ammo for deer and for good groupings and this guy told me for the survivor .308 to shoot ammo 165 grain and up because the 150 was too light. this would jelp with accuracy. the first time i called them a few months back they said 150 grain.
  

Got to love it.

[WNYBuckHunter]

What you need to look at is your barrels rate of twist. That makes all the difference in what weight bullets you should be running through it.

Heres a good little article that explains it basically

http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.rifle-barrel-twist-rates.html

[WNYBuckHunter]

BTW, after a quick check, it looks like your rifle should have a 1:10 twist rate. According to the Shilen charts, you should be using a bullet between 170 and 220 grains.

Shilen chart for .308

- 8" for bullets heavier than 220gr.

- 10" for bullets up to 220gr.

- 12" for bullets up to 170gr.

- 14"* for bullets up to 168gr.

- 15"* for bullets up to 150gr.

- 17"* for bullets up to 125 gr.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

BTW, after a quick check, it looks like your rifle should have a 1:10 twist rate. According to the Shilen charts, you should be using a bullet between 170 and 220 grains.

Shilen chart for .308

- 8" for bullets heavier than 220gr.

- 10" for bullets up to 220gr.

- 12" for bullets up to 170gr.

- 14"* for bullets up to 168gr.

- 15"* for bullets up to 150gr.

- 17"* for bullets up to 125 gr.

WHere are you pulling the 170 grain bottom range from?

[ants]

As far as the Savage guns... I have heard nothing but good about them, although I don't own one . I'm a lefty too and have an old rem. 700 (30-06) and a Ruger M-77 (7mm-08) Both are good, very accurate guns. Matter of fact I wanted the Savage classic, lefty, in 7mm-08 but It did not exist at the time, so I went with my #2 choice, the Ruger.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

No such thing as Left.....there is Right and WRONG!!...lol

[Lawdwaz]

That gun should be twisted fine to shoot anything between 150-180 no problem. Plenty of other variables to the equation. How is the barrel & action fixed? Mounting of the glass? Glass? Bench? Rest, front & rear? Quality of fodder?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

In my encore pistol 308 Win....1:10 Twist....130gr shoots like a dream.

[WNYBuckHunter]

WHere are you pulling the 170 grain bottom range from?

Based it on the chart numbers. I could be wrong though. Your pistol is a shorter barrel, which may have something to do with it, no? I believe Shilen bases that chart upon a certain length barrel.

I know that between my buddy's AR and my Remmy 700 in the same caliber (223), his shoots a higher grain bullet better than mine does (55gr best for me, 62gr for him). His barrel twist is faster than mine.