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I agree.. that would be great in theory.. but the way they want to work government healthcare still gives the slackers a free ride and forces ALL businesses to offer health care to their employees or suffer a penalty.. the penalty is less than the businesses cost so they will opt to pay the fine... requiring all the employees to purchase government run healthcare... where premiums are collected by the government and they decide the extent of your healthcare coverage... they will decide what they think you need for you and deny many procedures based on their opinion of need. I certainly do not want the US government having anything to do with my healthcare choices while they collect billions of dollars to be wasted on other unnecessary spending... forcing country wide competition among health care providers is the answer to lower cost insurance... competition will also create better plans to entice new customers... there are thousands of health insurance companies in the US and here in NY there are about 5 companies for us to choose from... open up the market, create competition and you'll see health insurance cost go down.. institute tort reform and doctors won't have to continue to cover their ass against all kinds of frivoous law suits.

With all respect,sits in trees, I don't think you realize the law only applies to those who can afford to buy insurance. Some bureaucrat like Sebelius or appointed panel neither of which are elected or can be voted out decide what level that is. So now they have the IRS going after us while protecting the lazy, the criminal and the illegals all of whom must recieve the same level of treatment as the rest of us. When there isn't enough care to go around panels will decide who gets the care. translation death panels. Meaning you or your loved one could pay into the system your whole life but a young criminal or illegal is given care you are refused because you're old or very sick.

When I read these discussions, I go out to Exit 70 on the LIE and confer with the Whistlepig that lives on the north side. I come away with more knowledge and less of a headache. What he told me is you are talking to the wind and there's no cure for stupid when it comes to people letting the government run any part of ones daily lives..

How about we just make people who don't have healthcare pay for their medical expenses when they get them? They may never have any money, but they will always owe the money to the Fed if they ever get any. Even if the Fed only takes a piece of what they have every year, they will at least know healthcare is not "Free". You need it, you will pay for it, for the rest of you life, if that's what it takes. Letting people off scott free all the time is what makes people think they don't need to have healthcare.

I would like to have the freedom of choice to not have to pay for people who dont want to get health insurance with the ever increasing cost of my own health inurance. So that is why i think the mandate to force slackers who dont wanna pay for their health care is GOOD!

Pav you are a teacher, so your healthcare insurance is paid for by others and you pay close to nothing for superior health care. If you work in the private sector or worse self employed in the US you are most likely paying 8% or more of your salary for your health insurance anyway when you add in copays and deductibles and that is with crappy care?

Nice Work .... Shall we all be looking forward to a Venison Bar-B-Q anytime soon ?

100% Agree. Govt waste is disgusting, you have illegals getting welfare and millions and millions in medicare fraud. Solve these problems first, cut foreign aid, cut the bs spending, reduce the debt and then maybe just maybe you can think about solving healthcare. Business and common sense 101 , don't throw good money at bad.

Of course the German health care system is good.. it costs individuals 15.5% of their gross wages... now take that number and add income taxes, capital gains tax, sales tax, phone tax, etc. etc. and you have a government that has all your money and all the control... I'm still not ready to give up that much freedom to the US government. How is it possibly equatable to charge a 15.5% premium based on your gross earnings... why should one man pay $150,000 for insurance and another man $1500 for the same care... then there will be those that pay nothing... thats insane... and the government gets to hold on to all that money... much like social security it will become a fund to be raped to expand more government spending behind our backs. I really think a few of you still don't get how badly our government steals from its people to further their greed and power. Wake up for crying out loud stop buying into all the BS. How many failed government run programs do you need to see to realize that the government is not the answer?

Why can Germany make their health care/insurance work at a cost that is almost 1/2 of ours and nobody goes broke when they get sick, and why do they get quick immediate quality care that we could only dream of in this country. Why are people from all over the world starting to go to Germany and France for the finest in surgical procedures? Why? If they have what is called socialized medicine and it is so horrible why are they outliving us and not having their homes and everything they have ever worked for takin from them because they get sick? I gotta know?

Holl crap I dont think there are that many bucks within a 10 mile radius of my house.