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29.5" draw ..... that's a long draw ! Either you are one big dude or your knuckles are scraping the ground ! Yeow ! 334 fps ..... that's fast

well I am not sure where it is coming from. You probably know Dinosaur BBque. One in ROchester has been hurt by sticky lips business.....Soros owns the lions share of it. Hate to sound like a conspiracy nut but the whole things stinks. The pressure is coming through the unions but without the state agencies being the muscle men the unions would have no leg to stand on.

I emailed DEC about this last year, here is a copy of the conversation. The convo starts at the bottom BTW. John, funny you should mention the placement of signs alerting people that the feeding of deer is illegal. NYS had a law that required that exact thing until last year when it was repealed. Please don't ask me why it was repealed, because I don't have any idea. (this is why the saying "I don't make the laws, I just enforce them" was created) Tom >>> "John" 08/28/11 12:04 PM >>> Lt Stoner, Thanks for the reply. I actually didn’t think about deer farms. Maybe the DEC and the state of NY should look into passing a law or code that makes the retailers post signs along side the product that clearly states these products are illegal to use at any time of the year for wild deer. That way people that do not already know the law, or are being told the wrong information by other mis-informed people that are employed by the stores would see it right when they are looking at which product they are considering. The stores could be sent an electronic copy of the sign and would be required to print and display them. Just a thought. Again, thanks for the reply. John From: Thomas Stoner Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 11:12 AM To: Subject: Re: Question on baiting products for deer Hello John, I understand your confusion and your frustration is shared by many law abiding hunters and citzens alike. However there are literally hundreds of deer farms and licensed shooting preserves in NYS where these products may legally be used. So there is a legitimate and legal reason for stores to stock and sell those products. You are correct though in the fact that often those products are sold and used for illegal activity. While the legitimate sale and use of these products can't be prohibited, concerned and ethical sportsman should cooperate with law enforcement to apprehend and prosecute those who knowingly violate the law. Thanks for your interest and concern, Lt. Tom Stoner >>> "John" 08/24/11 2:11 PM >>> I am a little confused about the DEC policy on bait for deer. DEC states that baiting and supplemental feeding of deer is illegal any time of the year, yet many stores carry products that are sold for nothing other than to bait, attract and feed deer. For example, Gander Mountain in Henrietta has 2 aisles dedicated to products like C’mere Deer, Deer Caine, Acorn Rage, Trophy Rocks and many other brands of bait and mineral licks. I have heard employees of the store explain to customers just how to use these products to attract deer to trail cameras, etc and tell them that they use it with their cams near their homes. A few times I have walked over and tried to explain that using those products is illegal in NY, only to have the customer or employee tell me that they believe that it is fine to use any time other than during open deer seasons. I know that is not true, and that those people are mistaken. Every time I go into Gander Mountain, I see people walking out with bags and jugs of the stuff. My confusion is why does the DEC allow those products to be sold in the state, if its not legal to use in the state? Seems to me that people think they can use it because they can buy it here. Thanks, John

A comment from that page: For anyone who is interested, go to Google Earth and put in 1495 Thomaston Ave, Waterbury, CT. That's the old Timex factory. Sprague Elementary School is 1443 Thomaston Ave, which is hardly "next door". It is quite a distance away, one person said almost a quarter mile, but I'm not sure about that. However, the proposal is for the shooting range to be located underground, in the huge basement of the former Timex factory. Not only is it an indoor range, it is underground, and it is located beneath an industrial factory building. I think that Lisa lady is imagining the safety issues on strictly ideological grounds. She probably just hates guns and shooting enthusiasts. What boils my blood is that the Yahoo news article writer, Eric Pfeiffer, completely left out the fact that the range would be located underground, in the basement of a former factory. In other words, there probably is no way even a high powered rifle bullet could get out without passing through a couple of feet of concrete and bricks, and that just isn't happening with sporting firearms. Bottom line is that safety is really not an issue. Even the lead is not an issue because it is all contained within an enclosed basement and lead is OSHA regulated. I can accept that this Lisa person would be political and leave out pertinent facts. I can't accept that Eric Pfeiffer thinks he can leave out relevant facts while writing a news story about a proposed underground shooting range where he carefully fails to include any mention of it being located not only below ground level, but in the basement of a former industrial factory. It appears that Pfeiffer is being a tool rather than a reporter.

Indoor.....but why let lack of info stop an opinion, that's what the internet is for. I'd rather see a smokes-for-less and a fast food place move in; as those are healthy alternatives.

Walter rules !