Versatile_Hunter

Not quite. For your analogy to hold, Trump first lights the building on fire...

Right, Democratic leaders disavowed this, especially at levels approaching the presidency.

Quote from Fox: McConnell addressed the insurrection during a floor speech Tuesday afternoon and said Trump "provoked" the mob that tried to use "fear and violence" to stop the Joint Session of Congress from certifying President-elect Joe Biden's win. "The mob was fed lies," McConnell said. "They were provoked by the president and other powerful people." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-trump-capitol-riot-senate-weighs-another-impeachment-trial

Nope, wrong again. No democratic leader condoned violence or rioting, certainly not the way Trump did.

There is no QAnon equivalent left of center.

Surely if a jackass with a Trump shirt and an AR can be labeled a patriot, Jack Dorsey fits the bill as well. Certainly he helped Trump’s cause much more than any imbecile at the riot did.

What we can’t have is a president who refuses to communicate with the populace outside of tweets. This jackass has a news briefing room in his house. No one is censoring the president. He can speak to millions on a whim. I applaud Twitter for doing the responsible thing and closing his account for fomenting insurrection. People died. Look, even the current head of the Republican Party blames Trump for lying to his base and inciting the deadly riots. Here you go: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-trump-capitol-riot-senate-weighs-another-impeachment-trial

Wide rack. What county is this in?

This is preposterous! Republican appointed judges and attorneys generals oversaw and adjudicated the vote count that you insist was fraudulent. There is a court system in place that addresses disputes. The verdict (as determined by Republican officials) is out - free and fair elections, Biden won. In terms of representing both sides and allowing for debate, QAnon is most certainly not a voice worth entertaining. Let’s hope the ensuing war within the Republican Party will push QAnon and its supporters back to the fringes where it belongs.

If you’re into vintage calls (and lures) I have a contact for you.

This is great, felt like I was there! I’ve caught 1 bonefish (as a kid) with a spinning rod and live shrimp off Key Biscayne. We were actually musing over potential summer trips the other night and fly fishing for permit has risen to the top of my next up list. Not sure if this would be the best way to learn to fly fish but my lady wasn’t digging a Maine backcountry summer getaway.

Aww, you want some attention. Let’s see, what are you trying to say. ‘Asking for it, whining, tables turning’... More fantasy play, I see. There is no movement to silence conservatism. Some patriots are working hard to not promote or elevate idiotic ideas. That’s a great thing and I hope the effort outlasts Trump. Now, go play dress up and look for lizard people!

Don’t be, the American Left is much less preoccupied with erecting monuments of ‘great men’ than the Right. This probably extends to other tribal symbols like flags (or Hawaiian shirts).

No, there’s debate and then there’s the unhinged crap spouted by 2-4 members of the forum. It’s important to call it out as such.

This is the key: "Although no rigorous study has yet analyzed whether vaccinated people can spread the virus" It'd be irresponsible to base public health policy on assumptions that haven't been empirically demonstrated, especially when the cost is so low (ie. wear a mask). I'm sure once (if) the data show that those vaccinated can't transmit the virus, it will be communicated clearly. That said, even then policy may recommend that everyone wear a mask until we've reach a critical mass of administered vaccines, and there'd be nothing wrong with that so long as the reasons are transparently stated.

No worries... it’s just funny how we usually put more thought into choosing a hunting guide than in choosing a doctor

Nonsense, thats my world. Not 1 of the hundreds of doctors that I know is delaying the vaccine for safety concerns, and that includes pregnant ones. I’ll weigh my anecdote over yours, but there are actual numbers out there, let’s go off that. PSA: if you learn that your doctor didn’t want to get vaccinated, ask for your money back.

I was trying to give you a hand...

Flooded is quite optimistic but you’re dead on about competent leadership. But yeah, I agree, the response will be better managed and messaging will measure up as well.

“then why if Biden cares so much is he going to let in more potentially infected people with this virus” ... god, why am I engaging Let me introduce you to 2 concepts. 1- testing There are a variety of tests, some can even be done at home, that quickly return a reliable readout on whether you’re infected or not. 2- quarantine If someone has been potentially exposed, isolating them from other people for 1-2 weeks is a very effective way to stop the spread.

Clarify. Has it not been made available to them? Do they not see patients and so they’re reserving their dose for others who are on the frontlines? Or are you arguing that they’re concerned about the vaccine’s safety? Are they also concerned about lizard people and cabals of socialist pedophiles?

Yeah, big hit! Over 3,000 Americans dying daily from Covid and you’re worked up about a couple of busses with immigrant families.

Yes, you’ll find that in the healthcare setting, those with advanced degrees and with training in physiology etc. will have no reluctance whatsoever to get vaccinated. All the cases you hear about healthcare workers not wanting the vaccine come from lower end support staff that’s more susceptible to disinformation campaigns and conspiracy theories.

Is this supposed to be ironic? If so, nailed it! Best impersonation of your typical Trumpist... 'Argh, facts be dammed! A commie is a commie and that's all I need to know!' Very funny!