Doc

Actually, as long as the neighbor doesn't own the property, there is nothing he can do about someone sitting in a stand even at 10' away from his house, and even if it overlooks the guy's bedroom. No law is broken unless an arrow or gun is fired. You certainly have to wonder about the mentality of someone that would do that ..... lol. But legally he always could do that with or without the new law.

You know that most hunters will show proper respect and courtesy. You also know that not all will. Do all people in these kinds of tight situations take the time and effort to gather recovery permissions from all possible neighbors whose properties may have to be available for the track and recovery part of a typical bowhunt? Those that don't .... what is their strategy to recover deer that don't drop in their tracks? Are they out there shooting deer until one falls in a location where they can recover? Do they simply count on trespassing to do whatever they must to get the deer?

Wait a minute ...... You didn't mention about the gun being one of those evil assault rifles so I will assume that it is one of the "uncontrolled", unregistered variety. And I seriously doubt that anything special has to be done to sell or buy that style of rifle between two NYS individuals. Certainly there are no requirements that are in any way truly enforceable. Your average rifle has no title or proof of ownership, or any other document that shows who it belongs to in any official state database or anywhere else. Most of my guns have absolutely no proof of ownership at all. So who would ever know there was ever any transaction at all? One guy hands a rifle to another, anybody walking up can not tell which one owns it, can they? Sure enough, considering my lack of credibility on matters of law (old and new), I absolutely could be wrong on this. But I really don't see what sort of paperwork or proof of transaction would be used on a gun that has no requirement for registration. So why would any special procedure be required and how is anyone going to prove that any transaction at all has even taken place?

It may really come down to how wishy-washy the public is and how this intimate closeness of hunting becomes. Some may just simply sit there and stew about it, perhaps seething and becoming new bowhunting enemies where they did not exist before. Others may take a more aggressive reaction and start passing around petitions to set up a town vote to eliminate all hunting within their borders. Neither result is great news for any of us. And all for what? So we can hunt in voyeuristic proximity to landowners and their families? Or perhaps so we can create perceived or even real safety issues with our neighbors?

It is possible that many towns will be banning bow discharge completely within their boundaries. Then, what will have been accomplished in terms of opening more areas to hunting? You can only push people so far and when these kinds of invasions on their personal space and perceived safety get to be too much, they will push back.

There is no way that I ever could have imagined that someone would change the law such that a home owner could open his door and be staring at some camo-clad guy squatting in the bushes 50 yards away grinning back at him. I also find it hard to imagine that a homeowner could be forced to look next door and be looking at the business end of a drawn arrow and having no legal right to put an end to either situation. Every day, I am thankful for the decision to buy enough property to eliminate the need for putting up with such legally sanctioned nonsense. I keep trying to imagine why anyone would want the right to invade other people's space in that fashion. What would the quality of hunt really be when you sit there listening to another family's dinner conversation, arguments, kids screaming and playing, TV blaring, or perhaps have the family dog sitting at the base of your tree barking at you? I would feel absolutely foolish sitting 50 yards from someone's house, pretending I was hunting. People must have a lot different views on what hunting should look like than I do ..... lol.

I think the idea is to at least have the capability to overshoot the mark since deer populations have been proven to come back rather quickly. But, it is starting to appear that there are limitations in some areas as to what large numbers of permits can achieve. And with so much of the potential harvest season being taken up with what they consider to be inefficient bowhunters, their options for cutting populations are limited. I can see the logic. I may not like it, but I do understand it. Now granted, all this is strictly theory based on the conversation that I overheard plus some of the crazy, almost begging, that I have witnessed when it came to post application, permit peddling, and some of the policies and decisions that have been prevalent of late regarding the introduction or attempted introductions of more efficient weapons into the bowhunting time slot. But I must say that it is all starting to make some sense when it is all viewed in its entirety.

Yes, that "nothing" organization, and the entire gun hunting population, and the media. Absolutely, little NYB kicked your butt for a lot longer than anyone really thought possible.

That was the point of their conversation. They were lamenting the fact that that time spans has been essentially removed from being available for harvest management. What do you think is behind the DEC push for crossbows and the attempts to cram muzzleloaders into an early season? They are all about maximizing their abilities to cut populations. They know that if they go overboard, they can simply cut way back on permit numbers. It's not so easy to do the opposite. It is getting more and more difficult to hand out all the permits. and with hunter populations shrinking, it makes some areas where they simply cannot drop the population adequately. My area 8N comes immediately to mind where they have been pushing permit like crazy and the herd still is increasing. Anyway, I believe that they may be viewing bowhunters as "being in their way". And that does explain a whole lot of policy statements and positions and decisions.

No, you wouldn't believe the slow archaic way I struggle through it. Basically it has gotten to the point where I don't even eat an apple if somebody doesn't peel it for me.

Oh yeah, but you all deserved taunting .... lol. Actually, I thought that was kind of slick myself. You guys were so convinced that it all was a done deal and little tiny NYB kicked your butt back yet another year. Yeah, I'll admit to a little smile crossing my face. It was kind of a David and Goliath thing going on there. My only question is what took you guys so long?.....ha-ha-ha.

What did you do? Did you just run down to the shop and try one out .... ha-ha.

No because you have not solved the problem at all by simply putting another inferior implement in the hands of someone who is unwilling to develop the skill to use it properly. Especially a weapon that is such a clunky, heavy, awkward, noisy, inaccurate p.o.s. that you guys have been trying to convince everyone that crossbows are. Don't be half-way in the convictions of your statements. Give the guy a gun and be done with it. That way he can just go out and point and shoot, and you have given the slacker the best opportunity for avoiding a wound.

Sounds a bit messy for just one apple to eat ...eh? It just that it is such a pain and it seems to take me forever. So I ask the wife to do it and sure enough she's faster than hell, but she winds up hacking half the apple away as throw-away. This thing looks super quick, but maybe if your only doing one apple, you pay for it in clean-up time.

I'm not sure about this way of doing things. My guess would be that it has to be firmed up into some kind of bill and be handled like any other law. But that would just be a guess. I doubt it could be handled like a King Andy decree, but then I've been fooled on that one before.

I'll be out looking this afternoon. I have to have one!

Where?

I want one! That is slick.

Blah, blah, blah you really don't have an answer when someone points out the fallacy of your reasoning. call it extremist if you want or whatever nonsensical irrelevant term but the fact is that if you want to follow that argument to its logical conclusion, I have just given you the perfect solution.

Then damn it, give that guy that wants instant gratification without the required effort a gun and be done with it.

I'll tell you what I always thought would be neat would be to hand build your own longbow and actually take a deer with it. That would be using hand knapped broadheads and homemade arrows. Now that would be going completely back to primitive weaponry. What a challenge, and what an accomplishment that would be. To me, that would be the absolute essence of hunting.

Pretty much, I am not all that happy about drone technology in civilian situations anyway ..... period. I really don't like this kind of 24/7 potential government surveillance of the population anyway. Call me paranoid, but it all smacks of Big-Brotherism (newly invented word .....lol). And now it is moving into the private commercial arena, and it really is only a matter of time before your neighbor can buzz one of these things up to your bedroom window. Using them for hunting never occurred to me until I read an article by an outdoor columnist in the local paper. It is a subject that probably needs some public awareness .... hence this thread.

I couldn't make out what was in the drill that would keep the apple from slipping. Anybody catch what was keeping the drill bit from just rotating without spinning the apple?

Interesting links ..... lol. It seems like we are almost back at the old Allen compound level of development when it comes to crossbows. The floodgates of technology are just now starting to open. It appears that we will be seeing just how many new inventions can be based off the basic crossbow platform. Perhaps we have just let the genie out of the bottle. You have to admire that good old Yankee ingenuity......lol

So now all they have to do is come up with drones that have their own on-board weapons systems. Ha-ha .... I'll tell you if you can imagine it, someone will build it. It reminds me of that internet hunting scheme. There is no limit as to how far people will push to get a technological edge when it comes to hunting.