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Well if you have leftover tags 9/27 is as good a time as any!

Same thing I have done for many many years, Will be hunting N. tier. Only this year I will be wondering whats happening down to camp in S.Tier at the same time. LOL I think most who have never had the chance to hunt the early season with bow is going to really like it. You get to see almost a complete change in seasons from leaves on the trees to fall colors and them dropping to even snow at times later on. It even brings a different approach to how and where you hunt with the potential of seeing deer you normally might not see later in the season as they break up and move on.

Been thinking about the move Roberts made. Could it possibly have been planned, I mean he turns it into a TAX, which I think would be the biggest tax deal this bation has seen. In which case I wonder if his thought to do this was not to side on Obama Care but to push more americans to vote republican this fall. Could he have thrown himself under the bus to stop Obama from getting re-elected? Im trying to find the postive in such a negative outcome!!!!

LMFAO.

LOL Venison on the menu once a week. How I missed those two old packages I have no idea. Pretty sure I will be out before season starts.

So let me see if I understand. I will start on a company level, Company XYZ has done some homework and finds that it is much cheaper to pay the penalty(ooops I mean tax) than to provide health coverage for there employees. So not only does the company pay into the government for this the employees will to for not having "adequate" health coverage. So that piece of shit we call our president not only gets penalties payed ( darn it I mean tax) in to the government for individuals but companies as well. Well unless you happened to be a Obama supporting company then you might get the Admit One ticket. SO due tell me who the hell wins in this situation? Its certainly not the employees or the working class americans in this country, Its the government and the welfare class that win. This is a joke a complete udder joke. When half or more of you yay sayers lose your health coverage from your employer you will think different about this. The thing that is left wide open is exacally what is ADEQUATE health coverage in Obamas Plan? There is no reason to be a working american other than self pride any longer. Why is there? When you can get a free ride through life on the curtails of the working class americans. Im sick over this.

I am still standing beside myself scratching my head how this president has turned this country upside down. What scares me the most is how much he is holding back in hopes of getting re-elected. I am damn scared as to what his next 4 year plan is all about because I dont think we have even seen the begining of his socialist antics. Im sick just thinking about it. This jackass we have in the whitehouse is a discrace to this country and every man and women who have fought for our freedom. I cannot believe Obamacare was accepted. How can anyone be proud to call him our president is so far beyond anything I can fathom. I witness and personally know (ashamed to admit that) people and even a family member that are perfectly capable of getting off there ass and getting a job to support there family. But under Obama there is even less reason to do so. He has given our children no reason to be succesful when he puts absolute bullshit like this in our face. You are far more wealthy to have Obama hand you everything you need to take care of your family if you are an absolute bum and lazy SOB. I am ANGRY< PISSED OFF AND SICK to see this ass some call our president ruin this country. Mexico is looking like a better place to be in the near future if this ass gets re-elected. Hell when he gives them all a free pass to america we are going to have to move there to get a job. Im going to go puke now.

I just dug into the bottom of my chest freezer and found 2 packages of 2009 venison and let me tell you it tasted just as good off the grill as the 2011 steak cooked right next to it, and yep it was all in vacumed sealed bags.

Dont let the dogs treeing a mountain lion fool you. It is not easy by any means and was the hardest hunt I ever been on and although I never killed a lion the experience alone was unreal. Like I said it was odd hunting a 4 legged game over dogs when they got let loose. I think just due to the point I never hunted like that before other than taking my bird dog out in the field. Looking back I would say it would be darn near impossible to hunt them without the dogs though. Its tough on the body and mind that is for sure. Everytime the dogs got let loose I was more afraid of them getting torn apart than anything. I remember pulling my bow out of the case the first day and the guide chuckled and said Oh man I forgot you were coming with a bow, hold on. And then he pulls out a rifle for backup. At that point not only was the guide thinking I was nuts but I started to think the same when the rifle came out. lol. Tough hunt and there is no comparison to hunting strategies with whitetail in NY or anywhere for that matter. Totally different approach. Extremely smart animals that have the ability to outsmart experienced guides and a pack of dogs many many times.

I went on an Arizona mountain lion hunt a few years back. The area we hunted was like going back in time a 100 years. What an experience. A couple things that stood out, one was driving throught he desert and seeing this copper wire dangling from bush to bush for miles on end. I asked the guide what it was and they said telephone line. I was thinking he was kidding but nope we get to a ranch and low and behold all they had was a crank up telephone. The other thing was horses and cowboys carrying 6 shooters all over the place. You even went into walmart and horses were tied up and cowboys strappped walking around inside. Also I was told make sure you dont look at or speak to the ranchers daughters lol. The last was you got greeted by the ranchers with a shotgun pointed at you on the porch. Anyways the hunt was guided with dogs. What the guide had worked out with ranchers was they would report to the guide on a regular basis of any cattle being killed or sightings of mountain lions and that is where we started. I had a couple opportunities early on but I wanted a mature mountain lion. The guide would let the dogs out once we cut fresh track and they would tree the mountain lion. When we finally got on a good one unfortunately they had a flash flood from a massive rain storm. In the area I was in the ground just doesnt soak the water up very fast and it fills the dry river beds up at the foothills. That mature lion had crossed that massive flooded dry river bed and we could not get across. Later that same day we had it happen again. It was alot of fun watching the dogs work. But something always felt a little wrong about it since I was not use to or ever hunted over dogs for 4 legged game. It was non stop hunting, walking, driving etc. The guide also would sit the to of us over the dead cattle at night and we hunted coyotes which was alot of fun as well. One last thing that I remember was the size of the deer were unimpressive to a guy from the east. You would walk in a sports store and they would have little spikes or 4 point mount on the wall next to massive elk mounts. The hunters would start talking about the whitetail and how impressive they were. I was like really please explain why lol. I guess it is quite a feat to get a whitetail in Arizona for the most part. They said you have to pack in for a few days and hunt high mountains to get to them. The feat of killing one alone is what the trophy is all about to them. Great people and a great experience. Oh and watch out for Ostrich the ranchers let out with there cattle to keep the lions away. They will and can chase down a full size truck and kick the living crap out of it. Happend more than once lol.

Sure give me another reason to get another plot going so I can start a rotation of annuals. Actually Im liking that idea now lol.

Thanks Split and Grow. This is norther zone by the way so Oct 1 is nothing new for us up here. The other thing this is not intended to be a brassica plot or a perenial. This is originally a forage oats plot that gets hammered more than any other plot I have. I want to stick to that. It went to seed weeks ago. I will post up a picture later too. The mild almost snowless winter I think played a big part in what happend up here. I have a plot that is in season 2. Last year I put in Brassicas for my first prep with intentions of a replant with clover. It got eaten down prettty good last fall but the odd thing is the brassicas regrew this year as well. Dont ask cause I have no idea why. This is just one strange growing season thats for sure. Everything is a couple weeks early. The good thing is my apples are loaded which is a suprise considering the late frost. Havent peeked at the oaks yet to see if they are going to have a crop of acorns. All I know is I hope in the long run all this work improves the wildlife around here. With almost all the farms disapearing, Very little land management and the doe and fawn killing neighbors moving out over the winter things should be looking up in a few years.

Well the search didnt take long to convince me to leave it. Winter Wheat Winter wheat is a cold-season grain that is ideal for planting in northern climates. This hardy wheat has a higher gluten protein content than other wheat. During its first few months of growth these plants can consist of up to 20% protein. Although most palatable to deer in it’s early stages when most tender, winter wheat really begins to shine mid to late fall. Because winter wheat can withstand freezing temperatures (and in fact requires a period of cooler growing conditions to reproduce) it stays green as other plants and browse begin to brown and die. This makes winter wheat excellent forage throughout the fall and a great choice for harvest plots. Winter wheat also provides a good early spring forage as well, although will become less desirable to deer as spring and other growth progresses. This grain is very tolerant of heavy, wet soil and cold temperatures but isn’t quite as tough as rye. Winter wheat can be successfully planted with minimal tilling, making this a very low maintenance, hardy plot and a great fall choice.

LOL Im glad Im not alone with no experience with this one lol. Brasssicas is definetely a wiser choice if the plan is to go with a perenial in the future as I can atest to that one. Like I said though this was planned to be forage oats replant every year. At some point Im going to run out of foodplots to stick in and this plot will fill that void. I hope. Never put much thought into this wheat delima if indeed it actually is a delima. Time to go on a web search. Thanks anyhow.

I will tell you one thing I did that Im scratching my head on and think I did more harm than good. Dave maybe you can add some insight to this delima. One plot I put in 1/2 acre last year with buck forage oats as my annual. I actually was planning on redoing this plot just for that seed annually. Mixed in that seed blend is winter wheat. Well the deer hammered this plot after the first frost last year. I was figuring I had time to work a new plot this year and left that one be this spring. Well low and behold I have winter wheat that overtook the plot lol. I mean 5 feet tall thick winter wheat from one end to the other. It went to seed faster than I ever imagined as I did not keep a close eye on that one. What do you think leave it go and rework it next spring and let the deer have at it? Or get after it now. I have no experience with winter wheat so not sure where to take this plot at this point especially since it went to seed. Like I said the plan was to replant forage oats in it every year since it was enjoyed so much by the deer. I am thinking letting it go for the year and see how the deer respond to it and rework the plot in the spring. I think the quickest attack at this if I decide to get it gone is to sickle bar cut it and remove the wheat. Im afraid if I mow it I will spread seed all over the place and make it worse. A big part of me is saying leave it and let the deer browse it down this fall and winter. Thoughts?

I never heard of a 3 front padded track, but looking close you can see the seperation in the lower picture of the middle pad being 2 not 1. The top track is alot more deceiving however.

Just a little something else for you guys to consider and it is the way I do my plots. Atleast the first year I put in an anual like forage oats. The reason I do so is to help choke out weed competition, also it allows me to do an annual weed kill and keep working the soil. Weeds are tough to battle and even when you think the plots is weed free they are not. Weeds can remain dormant for years lots of years and pop there ugly heads up at anytime. A couple years of planting annuals allows me to rework the ground and herbacide to kill out as many weeds as I can before I put in a perenial. The first plot I put in I went straight to a clover and the end result was competeing weeds eventually took the run of the plot. No matter ho much mowing or weed kill I did to it I was fighting a never ending battle with it. I reworked that plot with annuals and after 2 years it cleaned it up nice and is doing great. From that lesson forward its what I practice on all my plots. Yes its more work, more money and more time but end result has been worth it.

I have what I thought was hogweed. Made the call to the hotline, a couple months later I got a reply, short story is it ended up being cow parsnip. Extremely similar in appearance but harmless. These things are very similar to the unexperienced eye and are over 10 feet tall as well. If you google giant hogweed look alike you will get some photos to compare them. Actually here is a good comparison of them. http://www.hort.ucon...like_web/CP.htm The picture you posted looks like cow parsnip but without seeing it upclose I take no responsibily for the guess lol. Just be careful and certain what it is before you go diving into this stuff. Purple on the stems and the leaf pattern will help better identify if its hogweed.

Never a liberty. I have owned mostly dodge. I switched to a Chevy Truck and then had a Blazer. Why I didnt learn my lesson the first time, went back to mopar. I have a friend who will not buy anything but a Jeep. I do alot of driving and every dodge I have owned pushed 300,000 miles all within about 8 years. Sold them and I know atleast one of them is still being driven. Between the 2 chevys I went through 7 yes I said 7 fuel sending units, 2 4 wheel drove rebuilds, 1 year end rebuild,3 transmission rebuilds, 11 front wheel bearings, 4 sets of upper and lower ball joints, 5 half shafts, 2 water pumps, 1 brain box, 1 complete fuse box assembly and a few other things I cant recall off the top of my head. Yes Im hard on vehicles, lots of miles, towing but I service them by the book, differential fluds,tranny and filter services etc all done when due. All the dodges I owned combined I havent spent even a fraction of the cost I put into those 2 Chevys. I will say however the wifey has a Nitro and Im not a fan. I cant drive it for long due to the way the gas peddle is tucked up to the right of the center console, I have to twist my foot in an uncomfortable position. The other thing is when we put a more semi aggressive tire on it for better traction in the winter it rumbles pretty good and that rather annoying. I had the same tires on the Durango I had and it rode quiet. The Durango did have a shifting problem at about 160,000 and after taking it to the dealer and getting an estimate of 2700 bucks I got a tip that it is a common issue with that tranny and if I replaced the solenoid assembly in the transmission It would solve the issue. 127 dollars for the solenoids, fluid and filter. Took me about an hour and worked great till I sold it with 317,000 on it.

First my last post I meant to say curious not surious lol. Cabin boy you did a pretty slick job on that plot and it looks great. I have put in only 4 plots to date myself and I cant even begin to tell you the tons of lime I have had to spread. BUT this last one I did PH was right at 6.5. What that is right there is rare and we both got a lucky break and for you on the first one, darn thats extra lucky lol. One thing you will want to consider is mowing the field before the weeds go to seed. This will help deter further weeds in the future. Also it will aid in the longevity of your clover. Its is alot of fun and very rewarding to see it all come together and then see some wildlife taking advantage of it tops it off.

Im sure he would but he said "the areas that are best do not allow a climber". I love my climbers and prefer the comfort of my summit over my lone wolf hand climber. Both have there place though for me. All day sits Im in the summit. Long hikes Im in the lone wolf. Seat and platform are too small to get confy for long periods for me.

Yep sure looks like berseem clover to me. Thanks for posting up the closeup was more surious than anything.

It does look good. Now Im really curious though, can you get a close up picture of the clover?

I saved and zoomed in on it and man it sure doesnt look like clover. Whats the name on the WI bag?

Here is another one that you can mount to a stand you already own. http://www.sportsman...px?a=735511&e=Y and another more affordable one. This one is priced pretty good. Just get one mounting kit and then addtional bases are under 18. http://www.sportsman...px?a=796943&e=Y