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As I have stated many many times in this thread, proper butchering of your game animals and discarding all blood shot or questionable meat that may have any bullet fragments will reduce any lead that may be left behind to insignificant levels. "You can be assured that other anti-hunting organizations will try to manipulate the data from the CDC study and scare people into thinking it is unsafe to eat game taken with traditional ammunition." Again I will pick my source for info and whom to believe on this scam you can pick yours. There is still not one single case that anyone can point to where a person got any significant lead poisoning sickness from eating game shot with traditional ammo. One thing you can be assured of I will not sit idly by and see you wolves in sheep's clothing eagle zealots attempt throw millions upon millions of hunters and shooters that use traditional ammo under the bus with this false narrative. Al

You can fry it up like chicken, Peel and slice then soak in butter milk or egg then dredge in seasoned bread crumbs and deep fry. It is good! Al

I read the NSSF report what the CDC said and that is good enough for me, You pick your slanted view and source I will pick mine!!! Quote from NSSF "You can be assured that other anti-hunting organizations will try to manipulate the data from the CDC study and scare people into thinking it is unsafe to eat game taken with traditional ammunition." Al

Common sense and the CDC science based study demonstrate that this issue is not about ammunition. It’s about banning hunting. It’s important that all hunters and their families know this and other key facts from the study. • The average lead level of the hunters tested was actually lower than the blood lead level of the average American, including non-hunters. • The average lead level of children in the study was only .88 micrograms per deciliter of blood; the CDC’s level of concern for lead in children is 10 -- more than 10 times the amount found! • The difference between participants who ate wild game harvested with traditional ammunition and non-hunters was only .3 micrograms -- a clinically insignificant number. And that is why nobody has ever been linked to lead poisoning from eating game taken with traditional ammo!!! Al

Yes I will believe the NSSF and the rest of the shooting-hunting industry over a dermatologist with ties to the Peregrine Fund --( an organization with an agenda dedicated to eliminating the use of lead ammunition for hunting)-- who came up with and ran the fear mongering scheme that eating game killed with traditional ammunition causing harm. Al

I am going to assume your grandfather's rifle is an 1898 model and that is what the vast majority of rifles are that are chambered in the 30 40 Krag cartridge. Because of the fact most rifles chambered in this cartridge are older and are of old design I believe all ammo loaded from the various commercial factories will have pressures at a safe level so you should have no problems. Al

From National Shooting Sorts Foundation We all know that hunters have been using traditional ammunition with lead components for hundreds of years. It is a staple in every hunter’s pickup truck and cabin. Game harvested with such ammunition has been safely consumed by humans for hundreds of years and is a source of healthy, low-fat food. Naturally, hunters would be concerned about any claim that game harvested with traditional ammunition posed a health risk, even when the claim is unwarranted. A Centers for Disease Control (CDC) study of blood lead levels in North Dakota hunters validates what hunters have always known: consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition containing lead does not pose a human health risk. The baseless claim that caused concern about consuming venison harvested with lead ammunition was born out of the anti-hunting movement. The story started when a dermatologist with ties to the Peregrine Fund -- an organization dedicated to eliminating the use of lead ammunition for hunting -- claimed to have collected packages of venison from food banks that contained lead fragments. Out of fear and an overabundance of caution, North Dakota health officials (who never conducted their own study) accepted the dermatologist’s findings and ordered all food banks to discard their venison. The CDC study was prompted because of the unscientific “study” conducted by the dermatologist, to determine if hunting with lead ammunition caused a health risk in humans. If the unscientific allegations of an individual who serves on the board of directors of a politically driven group intent on banning lead ammunition could start all this, you can be assured that other antihunting organizations will try to manipulate the data from the CDC study and scare people into thinking it is unsafe to eat game taken with traditional ammunition. To our point, the Humane Society of the United States, an anti-hunting group and not the organization that runs your local animal shelter, came out in favor of banning all lead ammunition. This is as unsurprising as it is baseless. Common sense and the CDC science based study demonstrate that this issue is not about ammunition. It’s about banning hunting. It’s important that all hunters and their families know this and other key facts from the study. • The average lead level of the hunters tested was actually lower than the blood lead level of the average American, including non-hunters. • The average lead level of children in the study was only .88 micrograms per deciliter of blood; the CDC’s level of concern for lead in children is 10 -- more than 10 times the amount found! • The difference between participants who ate wild game harvested with traditional ammunition and non-hunters was only .3 micrograms -- a clinically insignificant number. We believe strongly that hunters should take this opportunity to educate other hunters about the CDC study and the facts about consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition, with a reminder to properly field dress and butcher their game. Regardless of the findings of any study, it is always a good idea to remove and properly discard all shot-damaged meat before processing or cooking. Hunters should also point out the CDC study to local food pantries and organizations that feed the homeless with meat generously donated by hunters so that this valuable food source for needy persons is not wasted out of an overabundance of caution, misinformation or baseless fears. If you know a hunter or anyone who enjoys the pleasure of a venison meal, we urge you to forward this information to them in the spirit of spreading accurate information about eating venison taken with traditional ammunition.

I am someone who as the old adage goes ["Variety is the spice of life"] is always looking for an excuse to buy a new gun and caliber to try it out for hunting be it pistol, muzzleloader, shotgun or rifle. Seeing all those different guns and calibers and the glowing reports by other hunters just makes me want to give them a try and experience them myself. There are so many conditions to contend with that there are certainly options that will perform in some cases better than others so I actually hate the idea of being limited to just one. That being said if I had to go with one rifle and feel comfortable in using it in any senario it would be my Husqvarna bolt action light sporter in 280 Remington and I should say if the same gun was chambered in 270 Winchester it would be just as good as the calibers are virtually identical. Al

Nobody likes change, we all like what we know. Software upgrades are a common theme on message boards-forums because the old stuff is no longer supported so there is no choice in the matter other than closing shop. I had to have it done on my board recently and "Upland Journal" a board I frequent just went through their upgrade. Yes there is a small learning curve and a few gremlins that occur but after a couple of weeks of getting acquainted and used to how things operate all will be forgotten and the board actually will be better for the long haul. Al

I have used a lot of Sierra's bullets but mostly in my assorted Varmint rifles shooting their thin jacketed match-varmint styles. . For whatever the reason I have alway got my best pin point accuracy with them which is what I am looking for most of all in my Varmint handloads. I confess to never have used the Gamekings so I can not comment on their performance on bigger game but I would bet a good chunk of change that they will be accurate. I think for the most part today's modern jacketed big game bullets from all makers have came a long way in the last 50 years and are much more reliable than they were in the early days. When you find something that really shoots well out of your Deer rifle and you place your shot properly you will have no problem bringing home the venison. Al

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These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are things people actually said in court , word for word , taken down and now published by court reporters that had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that morning?WITNESS: He said , 'Where am I , Cathy?'ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?WITNESS: My name is Susan!____________________________________________ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?WITNESS: No , I just lie there.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis , does it affect your memory at all?WITNESS: Yes.ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?WITNESS: I forget..ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?___________________________________________ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?WITNESS: We both do.ATTORNEY: Voodoo?WITNESS: We do..ATTORNEY: You do?WITNESS: Yes , voodoo.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: Now doctor , isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep , he doesn't know about it until the next morning?WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?____________________________________ATTORNEY: The youngest son , the 20-year-old , how old is he?WITNESS: He's 20 , much like your IQ.___________________________________________ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?WITNESS: Are you shitting me?_________________________________________ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?WITNESS: Yes.ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?WITNESS: Getting laid____________________________________________ATTORNEY: She had three children , right?WITNESS: Yes.ATTORNEY: How many were boys?WITNESS: None.ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?WITNESS: Your Honor , I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?____________________________________________ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?WITNESS: By death..ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?WITNESS: Take a guess.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beardATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I'm going with male._____________________________________ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?WITNESS: No , this is how I dress when I go to work.______________________________________ATTORNEY: Doctor , how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?WITNESS: All of them.. The live ones put up too much of a fight._________________________________________ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral , OK? What school did you go to?WITNESS: Oral.._________________________________________ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 PMATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?WITNESS: If not , he was by the time I finished.____________________________________________ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?______________________________________And last:ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?WITNESS: No.ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?WITNESS: No.ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?WITNESS: No..ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?WITNESS: No.ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.

I am a big fan of the high end Bushnell binoculars, my first high quality binocular was the Bushnell "Custom" compact that the early NASA astronauts took into space, I still use them today and even though they are 50 years old and pretty beat up I can still see well out of them. Being an eyeglass wearer their extreme eye relief gives me a full field of view that few other brands do. Today's Bushnell "Legends" and "Elites" which I have also acquired and use have that same high end quality, eye relief and resolution as the old "Customs" and are a best buy. A pair of 10X42 Elites would be just the right ticket out west and tough to beat at any price. Al

Well I have never heard of any "Air" gun that uses powder. The only thing that comes to mind is the old Gyrojet guns which basically fired a self contained miniature rocket but I would not classify them as an air gun. They were made back in the early sixties I think, a complete failure and have been long obsolete. Al

And sometimes the Turtles eat you.

Short clip of some action of a Lion hunt out west. Al http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d173/Airedale123/th_mountainlionwithhuntinghounds_zps67705bd8.mp4

Here is a link to some loading info you may find useful. http://garandforum.proboards.com/thread/57/reloads-m1-30-06

I have to agree with Buckmaster7600, seems like everyone has a different take and evaluation of felt recoil. The only time I really notice recoil is when shooting from the bench sighting in and testing my handloads performance. If I am firing a lot of rounds out of something that belted me I would use a half full 25 lb bag of lead shot up against my shoulder which reduced recoil to very tolerable levels. I have owned a 338 Win mag in a Sako Finnbear and a 458 Win mag in a Ruger 77 both kicked pretty good but using the lead bag pad I had no problem with load development and sighting them in. When using the 338 on game, one Elk, one Caribou, one Deer and a bunch of Woodchucks just to get familiar and comfortable with the rifle in the field I never noticed the recoil very much. The 458 was one of those deals where I just had to have one to try out and play with, I never killed anything with it but I had a lot of fun. Back when I worked in my buddy's sporting good's store we had a scope mounting service and sighted the gun in for customers. I always dreaded those 6 1/2 pound 12 ga Ithaca model 37 Deerslayers with slugs, they would make you cockeyed firing them from the bench. Al

This is what happens when sportsmen and shooters let this anti lead bullshit get traction, A TOTAL BAN ON TRADITIONAL AMMUNITION!!! The California Fish and Game Commission are implanting the law in three stages: On July 1, 2015, no lead ammo may be used to hunt in state run wildlife areas and ecological reserves. On July 1, 2016, no lead ammunition can be used when hunting with a shotgun for upland game birds, furbearing mammals, and non-game mammals and birds. A total ban on hunting with lead ammo goes into effect on July 1, 2019 The NSSF surveyed California hunters after AB 711 passed and found that nearly 40 percent said they will either have to stop or severely reduce their hunting due to the much higher costs of non-lead ammunition. This goes for 22 rimfire ammo also, probably the most widely used ammo of all. So far the best they come up with for 22 rimfire is a powdered copper X poly pressed bullet that shoots like crap and costs 10.99 for fifty. And “widely available?” Forget that. The Fish and Wildlife Service has an approved list of non-lead ammunition that has less than 40 manufacturers on it. Further, due to local restrictions in densely and highly populated Los Angeles, Oakland, Sacramento and San Francisco, ordering ammo by mail is nearly impossible—if not all together forbidden. The NSSF report says the ban could lead to a loss of $20 million in revenue for the state. Al

Well good for Gordon, if he want to use Barnes bullets I have no problem with that. I will continue to use my Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Hornady and yes I even have quite a few Barnes bullets and I am just as confident as he is when he serves up his special meatballs. When I serve any of my Venison to anyone family included, it is completely safe because it was taken care of properly. Al

Myself and a couple of other guys with an Airedale and two JTRs did some ratting on an old chicken farm. The floor in the barn was dirt and honey combed with rat holes and tunnels. We blocked most of the holes, closed all the doors and then fired up a rat smoker. It was made from an old two stroke string trimmer engine with a long flexible exhaust pipe. We put extra oil in the fuel and when she was running the smoke really boiled out of the exhaust pipe which was shoved down a main rat tunnel. It was not long before the rats came pouring out, mayhem is a description that would be putting the action mildly. Dogs chomping, feet stomping and clubs flailing. Some of those bigger rats actually went on the attack at the dogs and they would do anything to escape including climbing up your legs. I did a pretty good Fay Wray impression when it happened a couple of times with me. Crazy stuff that was exciting and heart pounding and sometimes even scary while it lasted. Al

EspressoBuzz "If I recall the "science" for a long time was doctored by the cigarette companies to show no ill effects from smoking. In fact in the late 40's and early 50's some "doctors" even touted the benefits of smoking.." =========================================== Comparing traditional hunting bullets to cigarettes is not even a remotely comparable analogy. Smokers have casualties by the tens of thousands, diseases like emphysema, lung, throat, mouth cancer, high blood pressure, COPD, heart, stroke etc etc. Regardless what any promoter of smoking would say it is clear to even a moron that smoking can be the cause severe health problems.and death. As for traditional jacketed lead based ammo no one can come up with a single unequivocal proven case of significant lead poisoning on humans who have been eating millions of tons game meat taken with that traditional ammo for well over a century. A "BIG" difference in my opinion. Al

Nice bench setup, nothing more fun and good for honing your shooting skills than a good 22 firearm and a couple of boxes of ammo. The 10/22 is probably the all time favorite 22 rifle and that Mannlicher stock model is a classic. Al

A video from the UK of some Terrier men getting into the Rats at some kind of garbage collection place with some Patterdale Terriers. For the average Joe there is almost zero hunting with firearms and most hunting with dogs is banned but they can still hunt Rats.I have Ratted with Jack Russells and Airedales and the action can be fast and furious. Al

When I watch any of the outdoor shows pertaining to hunting dogs for me it is all about the dogs. I am basically tuned in to watch and enjoy a good well trained gun dog or hound do it's thing. Al