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Oh and one more thing. Who needs those dopes to tell us that when the government takes our money it's a tax? What else would it be?

Really? So you don't see the ability to impose a tax as force? Its a propaghanda piece pure and simple. But if we don't agree with it we are just not smart enough to understand that the ability to tax is not force. They can't order us to buy something but they can order us to pay if we don't buy what they want us to. Please give me a break with that crap. And what about the great turn Roberts has done the republican party according to the piece? You find that a judge deciding because of politics is better than deciding according to the constitution? Look the pols have been telling you for years that they don't like the constitution ( "it's a living breathing document") (that part no longer applies to a modern society) etc.... So they load the courts with guys who will vote the way they want them to instead of those who will decide by law. So disagree if ya want but pay up for Obama care and be ready to die when services are cut because there isn't enough money to go around. And the next time the government wants to impose something on ya be ready to pay up again too. Thanks Roberts.

There is no positive in this. Thre supreme court is ruled by politics rather than the constitution. The constitution is now meaningless. The government can now do what ever they want to us.

Congrats

Don't play fair back

Cops don't have to check their guns in the city.

A treble hook on the end of fishing line with a small piece of red cloth on the hook, dangle over their head and they'll latch right on. We'd take the canoe at night and shine them and dangle the hook in front of them and they'd jump right onto the hook.

I saw a big cat track once in the blue hills. Was as wide as my hand. Not having any experiance with either I can't say if it were linx or lion but it wasn't bob cat. Didn't have a camera to take a pic of the track though. Saw a wolf on the shoulder of eleventh mountain years back too. I once had a neighbor who had a couple of those pet wolfs, you know those hybrids back when they were legal and so I knew what wolf looked like. It was close and I got a good look so I was certain that it was a wolf. Didn't have a canera though. I guess that makes me funny too.

At least that's what the gov/media complex wants you t believe. Now you are willing to spend lots of money on so called green stuff.

Its on the fast track to be unaffordable largely due to government mandates. Look at how much Obama care has driven it up already.

I'm wondering what anyone is doing about the preservation of freedom in this case. The law stands and nobody will do anything about it. Where is anybody preserving freedom? The only way to preserve freedom is to throw off the current government. In fact it is our duty.

Sounds like your rights to keep arms has been infringed. How come you NYC guys are letting this stand? I mean a permit for a rifle?

I would say that it is true that in some cases unions squeeze companies too hard but not so in most cases. IN the case of public employee unions they can't really squeeze they have no strike no lockout clauses for the most part and therefore can really only get what the government agrees to. In some cases that go to arbitration unions might win a bit more than the pols wanted to give them but those cases are rare because the pols appoint the arbitraitors.

beautiful!

I came into contact with what I think was that stuff years ago. Burned like anything. Feels like ya have a lit cigarrette held against yer skin. Actually leaves burns too so be carful.

Now we are on the same page. Excepting that I have a hard time blaming the voters too being that the gov/media complex feeds them a steady diet of propaghanda under what they call news and misinform everyone. Then again what choices do the people have to vote for? We can only vote for whoever the two parties let us vote for and here lately they never give us any good choices that I can see. No I'm not thinking there is any easy way out of the mess they have made out of this once great Republic.

In some cases I agree but not in the case of every union. Corrupt union leaders are nearly as bad as corrupt politicians in either case it is the regular working people who suffer and I'm sure that while you and I both want things to work correctly neither one of us wants our fellow Americans to suffer because of a few corrupt individuals.

Yes it is welfare but Government CANNOT fix the problem government IS the problem. You want to fix theese problems the answer isn't to restrict unions the answer is to restrict government.

No you never said the politicians were not guilty but your anger and it seems most of your blame is directed at the unions instead of the politicians who are charged with your protection. The unions are charged with serving only their members while the politicians are charged with serving YOU; why aren't you more angry at the pols? They are not, to my mind equally responcible. The unions by getting higher wages for their members were fullfilling their duites while the politicians on the other hand were ignoring their duties for personal gain and therefor should be responcible for their actions. Again I say there could be no symbiotic relationship between unions and pols if the pols worked in your behalf. I am suggesting that if there is a symbiotic relationship between the two then the pols need to go. Don't they? I mean if the unions corrupted them then whats to stop the next guy from doing the same? Getting rid of the unions fixes nothing in the long run does it; if the same corrupt politicians are still in place willing to be bribed by the next guy is it? Yes the laws are designed for corruption and it is the pols who make the laws, why doesn't that get you more angry than you are at the unions? Is there a chance your anger is being fueled in some part by the government/media complex? Not accusing or anything just asking the question for your personal consideration because if the gov/media complex is fueling anger against unions we need to ask OURSELVES why.

I see; so the Unions are responcible for driving wages, even those in the private sector, UP to keep everyone on an even playing field. So what you are saying then is that the unions force wages up for union members and non members alike? So it's not like as is reported in the government/media complex and the unions only drive their own wages up at the expense of everyone else? So then if people, both union and non union, are earning higher wages because of the unions why are so many people jumping on the band wagon to abolish the unions and effectively lower their own wages? My last question would be why is the government trying destroy the unions and lower your wages?

My oppinion on this matter is that the government paying (non Union) kids in temporary summer positions $51.71 an hour is unacceptable. Since the government is paying that wage and since the government requires itself by existing law or rule to pay that wage to NON UNION kids it is the politicians fault for enacting such laws or rules requireing that pay in the first place and it remains their fault for leaving those laws/rules in place. That is not a pro union stance it is mearly pointing the finger at those who are responcible for wasteing my money. Further, IF, and I say again IF, the politicians were bribed by corrupt Union officials to enact rules or laws that favourd the unions it is the fault of the politicians because they are the ones who are supposed to be our protectors and looking out for our best interest. They are the ones who are supposed to be uncorruptable, to be steadfast in protecting our best interests and when they do not, for any reason, protect our interest THEY are at fault. I cannot stand to hear from the politicians "Its not my fault I wasted all of your money I was bribed by the bad Union guy". B.S. Corrupt politicians are just that and need to go to prison along with who ever it was that bribed them. But it doesn't happen because the government/media complex manages to shift blame for what they do to sombody else and come out looking like the good guys in the eyes of many, perhaps like you, who blame the unions for the actions of corrupt politicians. But I am open to different perspectives; perhaps you can shed some light on how a corrupt politician who is charged with protecting our best interest is NOT at fault when he takes a bribe or fails to protect our interests for any reason.

Ah but you don't know what my oppinion is you only assume that I wish to promote unions at all costs. So much for non union objectiveness. You never know you may be able to sway my oppinion with facts you haven't tried it yet.

Doc I am afraid that you may have put your finger on the reason for the assault by the governement/media complex on the Unions. As the Unions loose pay and benefits so to will follow the private sector. Divide and concour has always been their method and they are at it again and will not stop until wages are exactly where they want them.

There is nothing to say to that.

Do you really believe that the unions use their money to bribe the politicians to pay high wages to NON UNION workers? Does that really make sense to you?