Culvercreek hunt club

The heck with that....drag it out and carry you on the other shoulder...why walk?

LOL...no HGH use there huh?

I agree the heavy snow pack contributes to the die off up there, but the fact remains that adequate brows exists for a certain number of deer. As in any given environment there are limited food resources and the habitat can only support a certain number of game animals. I would think the Alberta and ADK expamles you used are good ones. the vast amount of land there, although not heavily agricultural, would support a large number of deer. I do not believe they are any where near capacity. That is the reason the ADK's are not included in the DMP's for the most part. The bow kill, ML kill and other factors like predators and cars keep the population in check. In areas like residential WNY the story is much different. I can tell you the population needs the control of the dmp's. Talk to the farmers out here. I know of one Nursry that take over $75,000 a year in deer damage and resorted to a 5 strand electric fence around the entire nursry...woked for a bit until the deer figured if the hit it running they could jum right through it. I have seen them jump through it...lol I can also show you out here big beautiful houses with their landscaping all wrapped in chicken wire because of the browsing damage from the herd. I guess I am somewhere in the middle here. I will never be convinced that dmp's are not needed for population control....and I have seen nothing that shows me that AR's are the end all cure all of management. If 50% of the fawns are does....and you do not harvest does...the group has to over populate...it is math.

Awesome!...wish we had electric. Hav a generator but only run it on coassion. propane (stove, instantaneous hot water heater and lights), 12 volt (lights, water pump). so we have a shower and flush toilet and charge the 12 volt with solar panels. nice but wish we had electric. We are 1 mile off the hard road with the cabin so it isn't practical.

yup....not cheap!! waiting on my hard cider to finish...thent he heck with beer

LOL...first thing I thought of when I saw the title of the post. crank that bow up to about 70 pounds...tell her it is 20 ...."Sorry honey...you just don't have the strength"

Looks great!!- We only did an 12x24 with an 8x12 enclosed porch. we had square foot limits by the timber company we lease from. Are you guys on the grid or are you on a generator?

She will be able to pull it back with practice. most folks don't use the muscles we do when we draw. there is a much bigger question though......are YOU sure you want her hunting...lol

Well I have champagne taste on a beer budget...lol. I am going to sell my one gun and that should cover a new bow.

I am not old enough to remember this, but my father hunted and told me the stories of how the NZ use to be. No doe tags....but the last day of the season you could fill your buck tag with anything. He told me some horror stories about al the shooting up there. He maintained that was what really hurt the deer herd in the NZ. They didn't have the population densities we have today and a lot of the land they hunted was big woods., not Agricultural lands. They have come back alot since then. I think the residential deer herd numbers are way up...at least in my area. I wish I had 8C land to hunt in the bow only.....loads of deer there and even bonus tags when you fill your doe tag. and the bucks are really huge!

That was clear before...they are talking about an "option" to put in a crossbow after the late bow/ML

Well here is something that is not a myth. you don't have a clue. i have personally been on surveys int he early 80's on the tug hill plateau with DEC. stand of pines with hundreds of deer in various stages of starvation. Ever walk up to a deer with so little energy they can't even get up to walk away from you....just lay there and look at you with glazed eyes...The marrow in thier legs was like pink water. If you broke a femor you could pour the marrow out. DEC put 50 down in one day. and that isn't counting th eones that were already dead. You know what.......they all died with full stomachs...park...twigs...pine boughs...FULL but no nutrition. SO before you get on your box thinking you know what you are talking about....study up.

Ahhhhh, cherry pick the comment and attack. Typical. I dont necessarily agree with AR, but from what I have seen of your logic concerning does, I completely disagree with your line of reasoning. Doe numbers need to be controlled, otherwise you end up with a situation like you had in the late 80s and early 90s where deer were so overpopulated, they ate themselves out of food and began starving. The land is only capable of sustaining a certain number of animals. To allow them to overpopulate is just as bad as over hunting them. OR WORSE!!! Disease can run through an overpopulated herd like crazy!

I think that has been a lot of our points...AR is not a stand alone....could it part of a management plan...sure. But before I could ever support any chage I would have to see a concise study ...impartial...and public debate to discuss it. seems to be too may folks getting their bread buttered by these "studies" for me to buy it at this point. I have a great idea though.....how about we table all this crap and get to concentrating on the task at hand....the game pole...and filling it ;) ...resume this conversation in Jan. over a few beers???

That would be a good spot too...you would have the wind behind you and blowing to the deer coming towards you though. I really couldn't tell what the cover is like.. Chances are a mature buck won't trot across open country if he is pushed out of the big woods, but if it is a secluded edge with cover he may very well take that route into the wind....then again ...they are whitetails...and often do what we don't expect...lol. I expect some pics of the deer...

Very well put, Bill.

tug hill plateau area nd the area around Stratford. Both have accessablbe public lands. I grew up hunting whites there but it has been a while.

If it were me I would try the stands on the lower right...at the property line and see how it goes. Don't discount the possibility of setting up on the ground either if you can find some cover like a blowdown...find a thick funnel area and thy to use the loggers to your benefit.

Congrats....and since there are always others willing to pay top dollar for the new models....ones a couple years old are always available at very discounted prices....I know used is not the same.....nothing like having a brand spankin new ....well...anything...lol. Good luck

I would heafor the thickest area the most remote from the logging. I can't get a clear picture of the stand compared to wind direction but take into accunt most bucks will be downwind of the trails to try and wind a doe. I love hunting thick creek bottom areas and they have done well for me in the past. You may be able to hunt the area they are logging but I would follow you first impulse and use them to coax the deer to you ....so get in early and I would see how it goes with them in there. Don't count it a wash out. Some of my best deer were taken when I "screwed" things up...lol every once in a while we do get lucky...think...thick...thick...thick

I don't know the layout but from what you described I think the best areas aren't the ones they will be logging. you talk about thickets and creekbottoms....think corridors and remote areas away from teh operation. maybe the operation can work for you. I don't know where your stand are but if you can get near that thicket ...with increased buck movement coming ...just maybe the loggers will push the deer your way. 230 acres is a big chunk. I have seen deer while driving tractors right by them...if there is agriculture near these deer the skidders are not much different than a tractor. I have had deer walk right up to me using a chainsow cutting wood. WHile your hunting maybe shot in the actual part they are logging I bet if you think about it you can use this to your advantage. Think of it as the loggers are narrowing the area the deer can hid in for you...lol I bet you can make this work. Good luck

Nice job...and remember that regular season tag is good for late Bow/muzzleloader in sz this year for a deer of either sex

I think the full moon early and windy daytime conditions have hampered the movement. THe nights have had a marked drop in wind around me and I think that tends to force them to get up and move around when most of us are not inthe woods . The are following though. I saw a nice buck right on a does butt yesterday and he wouldn't give my grunts, bleats or rattles and attention at all. usually they will at least look. He never turned his head. I think the next two weeks will be good if we can get the wind to drop. The temps look like they will stay fairly cool so that should be good.... Good luck

Well at least a mild crush......now a trigger finger would be love

Do I have to hunt to survive...no. but the previous post on the instinct of it are right on. I don't have to, but knowing I can do it is a measuring stick. I could put food on the table for my family. But to be honest the food value is secondary. I enjoy it. It is a thrill. The adrenaline rush as a huge buck comes in or a doe blows out of thick cover as you pass by. The way your heart reacts when a Tom explodes behind you when you didn't know he was coming in silent. I imagine it is like any other past time that is rush based. It is also a tradition that I grew up around. I remember being very young and wanting to go with my father...but I was too young. 5 or 6 maybe. I remember my first BB gun at 7 and Dad couldn't keep me in BB's. The big day finally came and I was 8. I was going deer hunting. There were real winters back then. seemed like the snow was always knee deep and his only rule for me was."when I pick up my right foot and move it forward I want your right foot in my track I just left" He wanted me at arms length , always. I remember him taking me rabbit hunting and he saw tracks going under a snow covered 4' high pine...none coming out. I had no clue and he instructed me to go kick the tree. Well I walkd over and stuck my leg righ into the pine with a big stomping motion....I don't know who had the more surprised look the rabit or me after he ran a few laps around my foot.....I fell into the snow...the rabbit came out...Dad missed due to very loud uncontrolled laughter. These are the other reasons I hunt...the memories...and that is an ancient tradition too...the stories of the hunt around the camp fire. More than anything it is time with my Father. He chest still puffs out with pride with every animal I take. He was there for my first fish, first squirrel, first grouse (after several boxes of shells...lol) my first doe and my first buck. There is something about this past time that has a bonding like no other. I think that for me, and probably most of us, we have a respect and admiration for our quarry that non hunters do not understand. We pursue, kill and eat them and we hold them in higher esteem than the animal rights group...They see them as weak and defensless and in need of protecting....almost a type of pity.....not the respect we hold. My wife is always saying to me, as I cross the white line staring at a doe in a field, "I can't believe you get so excited about seeing a doe". She just doesn't get that if I didn't get that excited....I would hang it up.. Why do I hunt....becasue it is in me, and always will be. Thanks Dad