Mr VJP

Nothing beats a Kimber 84M Montana for a lightweight deer rifle. It has a 22" barrel and still weighs 5.25 pounds!

Congratulations! You got yourself a great deer rifle. What type of scope does it have?

Welcome to the forum. Sounds like you will make a great addition to the site.

And it's the laws installed by the government regarding divorce that made the rate as high as 50%. Used to be you needed a good reason to get a divorce. Now, for women, divorce has become quite profitable. Get married for a short time, file for divorce without any reason, or even cheat on your husband, take the house, half of all the stuff and get money every month for life. It's a wonder that divorce rate isn't higher!

It should be considered a TAX just like any other state tax. The amount charged should only be equal to the amount needed for operations and not one dollar more. Lower taxes and smaller government can only be realized if every dollar the state charges citizens is scrutinized. Otherwise you will see fees and various user charges for everything you want to do in this state.

Lifetime License money is supposed to be invested to generate the normal license fee in interest every year. Think about that. Your Lifetime payment should earn enough interest to pay for your license every year, and will continue to do so even after you're dead! It's a good deal for the state, or they would never offer it.

I think we should elect only single people without children. I also think these elected positions should be considered full time 24/7 jobs. No days off and no vacations. If someone can't commit to that, don't run for office. They get hardly anything accomplished during their term as it is and they can't be fired if they are lousy. These elected positions are very serious and they should be taken with that in mind. Taxpayers should get what we pay for. We should not be paying for excess baggage either. If the politician has kids, their expenses should come out of the money in the politician's salary, not from additional taxpayer funds. The same goes for spouses. Girlfriends? Lovers? Gay Partners? Pets? Or whatever else you can think of. Not one dime of taxpayer money should be spent on any of that. Those are personal expenses of the elected official and should be paid out of the salary of same! The only elected official I can think of that even came close to this idea, was Ed Koch. And I believe he still took a vacation every year.

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You could hand load bullets of 75 grains like they offer in the .223 loads I shoot. However, if the rifling twist rate in your barrel isn't fast enough, they will not stabilize and accuracy will be terrible. My Remington 700 SPS will not shoot them well, and the barrel needs a good cleaning after using them to get it back on with 55 grain bullets. My Bushmaster Bullpup will shoot them just fine though. Even with these bullets, I'd have to go for head shots on deer, (which I don't like) just to be sure they would drop it clean.

Most triggers on sporting and target rifles and handguns today are single stage triggers. These ideally have no movement before releasing at their set weight, and when they fire they move only far enough rearward to release the sear. Such a trigger is a great asset to achieving a surprise break. The feel of a perfect single stage trigger is often compared to that of breaking a glass rod. Most triggers supplied on brand new guns today are single stage triggers, but are not properly adjusted. A second type of trigger mechanism is the two stage trigger. This is common on military rifles and is supposed to be safer than a good single stage trigger. (Real firearms safety, of course, is between the ears of the shooter and has nothing to do with trigger type.) A two stage trigger has a long initial movement. The shooter pulls the trigger back to take up this slack until a sharply increased resistance is felt. (That is the first stage.) Then the actual surprise break trigger pull that will fire the rifle is begun, and from that point on the two stage trigger operates like a single stage trigger. Most commonly found in battle type rifles and even sniper rifles the two stage military trigger can be adjusted to "break" anywhere between 5 to 6 lbs on a battle rifle to less than 2 lbs on a sniper rifle. The idea is that the trigger mechanism is explicitly engineered to "stage" which is a characteristic which isn't very desirable for close in combat firearms, like pistols and submachine guns but can be very handy for long range shooting. The first stage of the trigger pull is where most of the trigger pull weight is exerted by the spring and just a fraction of a millimeter before it breaks there is this very short and serene feeling of just about to but not yet and at this point all it takes is for a hair to fall on the trigger and it will fire. So the idea is you take aim, verify that you indeed want to put say .308" sized holes on this target, very slightly squeeze the trigger but not enough for it to go off, just enough so you can feel the end of stage 1, and then, when you feel it is time, the moment of truth. Insert high frame rate slow motion action sequence here, preferably of a third person view of the bullet in flight. Hey man, nice shot!

I prefer a permit process, that is reasonable, includes a NICS check, and requires training and passing a test, to get a concealed carry permit. I do not think open carry is as good an option. Besides scaring people who do not know the first thing about guns and are deathly afraid of them, open carry alerts criminals in advance that you have a gun. That just changes the way they will approach you to get the drop on you. Think about it. They know you have a gun, but you don't know they have one. All they need to do is get the drop on you and at the very least, you lose your gun. At the worst, you lose your life. You may get shot without ever seeing where it came from. I can also see a lot of criminals getting more guns this way. Not all gun owners have the skill to carry openly and be observant and alert at all times. Concealed carry gives you the element of surprise without causing concern among the average citizen, who is already nervous around guns. If you wear a uniform and open carry, the citizens accept it. But if you are wearing civies and carry, they get very suspicious, sometimes calling the cops. Concealed carry is the goal my friends. Nothing less will do.

I quote: "An honest review of game laws and regulations is long overdue, and until we eliminate all such absurdity from our books, there is no way we can possibly accomplish the goal of retention and recruitment into our beloved hunting lifestyle. The land-mine field of confusing, arbitrary, unreasonable and counterproductive laws that have nothing to do with wildlife management or safety must be gutted and cleaned out, and the outdoors community, if honestly committed to recruitment and conservation, should be leading the charge and demanding it." I concur.

Ah, way down south. I'm in Delaware Cty. Bring two up my way and I'll provide the brandy and the view! ;D

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I still think Angus is great!

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Correct.

You're Welcome. My pleasure. Where is "down my way" anyway?

I wasn't referring to hunting behind a fence. I was referring to measuring his lifestyle and fame compared to some of you.

The "L"-frame family of revolvers is one of the youngest and smallest of all S&W families. It was announced in 1980 with four models, all chambered in .357 magnum - 581, 681, 586 and 686. All those revolvers were similar in design, and differed only in materials and sight types: models 581 and 586 were carbon steel, 681 and 686 - stainless steel; models 581 and 681 had fixed rear sights, models 586 and 686 had adjustable sights. The idea behind the whole "L"-frame family was to create revolvers, strong enough to withstand a steady diet of full-power .357 Magnum ammunition while being comfortable to carry for long periods. Basically, these guns were intended as "ideal" service revolvers in 357 magnum. Previous S&W revolvers in .357 Magnum had some drawbacks from that point of view: K-frame revolvers like Model 19 or Model 66 were light but not strong enough for constant usage of powerful ammunition; N-framed guns, like Model 28 or Model 627 were exceptionally strong, but also too big and heavy. So "L"-framed guns were born as compromise between K and N frames - grip part of the "L" frame is similar to "K" frame, and cylinder part is much stronger, like that of "N" frame. "L"-framed revolvers quickly became a real success, and were adopted and still are used by many police departments across USA. They also became popular across civilian shooters who needed powerful and strong, but moderately sized revolver. Later, S&W developed a set of revolvers in .44 Spl, based on the same frame - models 696 (stainless steel), 296 AirLite Ti (with Bodyguard-like shrouded hammer) and 396 AirLite Sc (Aluminum-Scandium frame, Titanium cylinder). All these guns have 5-shot cylinders and intended for those who wanted to launch bigger slugs from a relatively compact gun. Latest addition to the "L"-frame family is a model 386 in Mountain Lite and PD modifications. Model 386 has frame and cylinder dimensions of any other "L"-framed guns, but frame is made from newest lightweight and strong Al-Sc alloy, and cylinder is made from Titanium. Gun is extremely light for such powerful ammo, and has 2 1/2 inch (PD) or 3 inch lightweight (Mountain Lite) barrels. Another recent addition is a Model 686 Plus, which has seven shot cylinder. Technically, all "L"-framed revolvers are similar to any other modern S&W revolvers. They have double-action trigger, firing pin is mounted on the hammer. Lock work featured safety bar, which does not allow to hammer to hit the primer unless the trigger is pressed. Cylinder is locked to the frame by two locks - one at the rear of the cylinder (operated manually by the latch on the left side of the frame), and another on the under barrel lug (spring-loaded plunger). For loading and ejection cylinder is swung out to the left. Most guns have heavy barrels with solid upper ribs and heavy, full length under barrel lugs. Mountain Lite guns have lightweight barrels without upper rib and with short under barrel lug. On most models sights are ramped post front and adjustable rear. Fixed sights models are no longer in production, but S&W Custom shop does small runs of the factory customized M681 revolvers. Cylinder capacity is 6 rounds on most models in .357 Magnum, 7 rounds of .357 in model 686 Plus and 5 rounds if chambered for .44 Special. Some models also may feature factory ported barrels to reduce muzzle jump and felt recoil. In general, "L"-frame revolvers are excellent combat, self-defense, hunting and sport guns, still very popular, and not only in USA.

Jordan, I thought your essay was very well written, made your points, countered objections and stayed professional in the face of scorn. Just having the courage to take on the anti-gun and anti-hunting groups in a school essay is note worthy. Being able to talk calmly and intelligently about the subjects in a paper is impressive. I look forward to finding out what your teacher thought about it. I predict you will receive an "A" and the comments will be very good.

I think I sense a lot of jealousy and envy here! :

Congratulations Papabear! I'm sure you and your daughter are very proud. I'm betting you are making plans for hunting ands fishing together already.

Some of you guys don't read either. I started that post saying most of his critics have no idea about any of the good things he does. And what happens? People start to post negative stuff! : I know about the other stuff guys, but like I said, I'm willing to ignore that stuff in deference to the positive contributions he makes for society, hunters and gun owners. What do we hope to gain by tearing him down? Could someone please tell me how that will have any positive result for hunters or gun owners? When someone here can claim half of his accomplishments, I'll put you above Ted on the podium. Until then, I'll stick with him, in spite of his flaws.

And I'll bet most of the critics have no idea of the good things he does. Ted Nugent was born and raised in Detroit, Michigan before moving to Palatine, Illinois as a teenager. Ted has two brothers; John Nugent and Jeffrey "Jeff" Nugent. Jeff is a former chief executive for Revlon John resides in California with his two daughters, Allyson and Audrey, who have a cousin named Charlette that everyone looks up to and loves a lot. Nugent has mentioned his ties with the Christian faith many times during interviews, and has stated that he regularly attends church. He attended Saint Viator High School in Arlington Heights, Illinois. He was married to his first wife, Sandra Jezowski, from 1970 to 1979. They had three children; daughter Sasha Nugent, daughter Starr Nugent, and son Theodore Tobias "Toby" Nugent. Sandra died in a car crash in 1982. His second marriage was to Shemane Deziel, whom he met while a guest on Detroit's WLLZ-FM, where she was a member of the news staff. They married on January 21, 1989 and remain married to the present day. They have a son together, Rocco Winchester Nugent, and a daughter, Chantal Nugent. In the late 1990s, Nugent began writing for various magazines. He has written for more than 20 publications and is the author of New York Times Best Seller God, Guns and Rock 'n' Roll (July 2000), Kill It and Grill It (2002) (co-authored with his wife, Shemane), BloodTrails II: The Truth About Bowhunting (2004), and "Ted, White, and Blue: The Nugent Manifesto" (2008). Since the early 1990s Nugent has become both popular and criticized for his conservative beliefs and his anti-drug and anti-alcohol stances. He is a national spokesman for the Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE) program, advocating the "natural highs" to be found in an outdoor lifestyle. He has hosted the Ted Nugent Kamp for Kids, which combines a curriculum of hands-on hunting, conservation, archery and a strong anti-drug message aimed mainly at underprivileged inner-city children. The summer non-profit program has had over 1,000 kids attend during the last decade where respect for nature, preservation, stewardship and basic archery are taught. Each session is attended by parents as well. Nugent also is a spokesman for the National Field Archery Association, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and Big Brothers Big Sisters of America.[citation needed] An advocate of hunting and gun-ownership rights, Nugent currently serves on the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association (NRA).[30][31] Nugent is a strong advocate of the right to bear arms. When interviewed by Texas Monthly editor Evan Smith in season 5 of TexasMonthlyTalks he said, "I would rather that [a victim of violent crime] in Massachusetts last month who was taking her daughter to soccer when they were carjacked by a recidivist maggot, who had been in the prison system all his life but was let out again because we feel sorry for him, maybe he had a bad childhood. Instead of her being hijacked and murdered, I'd rather she just shot the bastard dead... But in Massachusetts, somebody decided she can't do that. So she's dead. I would rather she was alive and the carjacker was dead... I'm weird." [32] He has also been quoted as saying that the second amendment is the only gun license or carry permit any law abiding citizen should need. Nugent has reported receiving death threats against him and his family from animal rights activists. On the Penn & Teller's Bullshit! episode about People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), Nugent claimed, "We've got reports and files with law enforcement across America where left-wing animal rights extremists are on record threatening to kill my children on the way to school because we eat pheasant." In 2006 he stated in an interview that "anyone who thinks hunting is terrible can kiss my ass." When asked by Imagineer magazine in a 2010 interview about what he would do if elected to political office, he said: "Slash the living hell out of the waste and corruption and the outrageous army of do-nothing bureaucrats. I would fire every government worker whose job I would deem to be redundant and wasteful. No able-bodied human being would ever get a handout again."[41] According to an interview in The Independent he "considers homosexuality morally wrong" and is an outspoken supporter of the Republican Party and the United States military. As a reward for entertaining US troops in Iraq in 2004, he visited Saddam Hussein's war room. "It was a glorious moment. It looked like something out of Star Wars. I saw his gold toilet. Nugent also said: "Our failure has been not to Nagasaki them."[42] On April 15, 2009, Nugent appeared onstage with his guitar in San Antonio as part of Glenn Beck's coverage of the Tax Day Tea Party protests on the Fox News Channel. He hosted the show with Glenn Beck, and played music for the protestors at the Alamo.