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Today, recruiting new volunteers is difficult. This is a good way to entice some people to at least look into joining.

And we can't count on the courts to right the wrongs either. A federal appeals court on Monday upheld the core provisions of two gun control laws passed in New York and Connecticut after the 2012 mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School that banned possession of semiautomatic assault weapons. The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld the bans on semiautomatic weapons and large-capacity magazines.

Self defense is a God given right, and the best tool for the job is a gun. The general public hates the truth. I couldn't care less what the majority of fools think.

And you'll never understand why your idea of "responsible gun owner" amounts to ex-gun owner. And I never get sick of kicking the crap out of cowards like you who talk big on internet forums, but run like a scared rabbit from a man. That's a fact for you

http://news.yahoo.co...-185608674.html You don't need to use a gun to kill a buncha kids. It was done way back in 1927. And it will be done again if killers can't get a gun. Doesn't fix the problem. Neither does appeasing the anti's like a lot of you guys want to do.

"The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available. If gun control zealots had any respect for facts, they would have discovered this long ago, because there have been too many factual studies over the years to leave any serious doubt about gun control laws being not merely futile but counterproductive. ... Yet many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals. In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. ... Guns are not the problem. People are the problem -- including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts. There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun control advocates." --economist Thomas Sowell

"The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available. If gun control zealots had any respect for facts, they would have discovered this long ago, because there have been too many factual studies over the years to leave any serious doubt about gun control laws being not merely futile but counterproductive. ... Yet many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals. In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. ... Guns are not the problem. People are the problem -- including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts. There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun control advocates." --economist Thomas Sowell Maybe those who claim they’re earnestly seeking an answer to Friday’s bloodbath should focus less on Gunsville and more on Pillsville. But right on the heels of their howling about NO GUNS came cries for MORE PSYCHIATRY. I don’t expect these remnants of 1960s ethics to ever blame drugs for anything. But what puzzles me is their newfound blind support of government. How did they turn from being the harshest critics of “The Man” in the 1960s to being his most brainwashed advocates today? It’s also mildly amusing/disturbing how closely all the nerdy, medicated, spree-killing geeks resemble the progressive pundits who are caterwauling for unilateral disarmament of the citizenry. They look nothing like the fat and hairy—yet unmistakably male—Georgia hilljacks who milled around the gun show in Gainesville. And although I’m supposed to fear those “angry white males,” I felt far less hostility emanating from the convention floor than I do whenever I’m around leftist girly-boys. http://takimag.com/article/gunsville_usa_jim_goad/print#ixzz2Fdm0z9oL The irreducible challenge the Second Amendment poses to gun restrictionists is that it does not bestow upon the people a right they previously lacked. It proscribes the government from infringing upon a right the people already have. It is not that the people are allowed to arm. It is that the government is disallowed to disarm them. The practical consequence of living for nearly two-and-a-half centuries under the almost universally benevolent protection of the Second Amendment is a society in which there are hundreds of millions of guns, in which 47 percent of families and nearly as many Democrats as Republicans own guns, and in which the dissent over the sacrosanctity of gun rights is heard largely because of the overrepresentation in the media of the coastal, urban Left. Those upset with the order of things are welcome to try, and doomed to fail, to repeal the Second Amendment via the constitutional process.

Who's the fool Doewhacker? http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/to...5#50208495

Impossible to do when your other man is a moron. You're as pro-gun as you think you need to be to satisfy yourself. The hell with everyone else. When they start to take away what you want, I'll be laughing. There are way too many morons on this forum for me. You can all fugg off as far as I'm concerned. I'm not wasting any more of my time on this site. You can all commiserate after the bloodletting is over.

Something stupid, ineffective and meaningless, but it will make a lot of people feel good. Until the carnage begins, that is. All of this crap happens in "Gun Free Zones". so lets make the whole country gun free. Yeah, that will make us all safer. Were gonna need a lot of body bags from now on.

You are pathetic. Keep appeasing the anti's. You're about to get the shaft, and it's gonna hurt, but you'll still bend over. I done with you guys. Good Luck with your "common sense gun law" appeasement.

If you don't realize taking our guns away will amount to a lot more people and kids dying, you are a clueless moron. We will all be defenseless, just like all of those kids in the "Gun Free Zone" were! Some of you gun owners really haven't a clue about what is happening here.

It's gun owners like you who have put us in this precarious position in the first place. I will not give up any of my rights to make you, or anyone else feel better. That's plain stupid. I'm not going to be part of this "coming together" because it's two wolves and a lamb deciding what is going to be eaten for dinner. I'm the lamb, but I'm well armed, so I still have a say.

The Conn shooter used 2 handguns and the AR was in the trunk. Doesn't matter what you guys think. They are about to tell you what you can and cannot own. And you have allowed them to do it. Congratulations on your lack of "common sense".

Come together over what? Destroying freedom? No thanks. Wake up man.

AIN'T FUNNY ANYMORE IS IT? THIS THREAD NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE TOP TO SEE HOW FOOLISH A LOT OF THE PRIOR COMMENTS WERE. WAKE UP AMERICA! THEY GUN GRABBERS SMELL BLOOD IN THE WATER NOW AND THEY AIN'T GONNA STOP UNTIL ALL OF YOU SEMI-AUTOS, PUMPS, HANDGUNS AND DETACHABLE MAGAZINES ARE GONE! AND IF YOU THINK THEY WILL STOP WITH THE RESTRICTIONS YOU BELIEVE ARE "REASONABLE", YOU'RE TOO STUPID AND IRRESPONSIBLE TO OWN A GUN ANYWAY. SOME OF YOU GUN OWNERS MAKE ME MADDER THAN THE ANTI-GUN NUTS, BECAUSE YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER. IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA, YOU ARE ABOUT TO GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR. THIS WILL BE AMERICA IN THE NEAR FUTURE.....GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLSk_BjGuo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLSk_BjGuo This is where America is headed because gun owners here are not smart enough to know better.

"So people are acting pretty set on gun control, but all their ideas are things that do nothing but pester law abiding gun owners. ... So idea: Let's just pretend to pass gun control. The people who most want it won't know the difference between an actual law being passed and absolutely nothing being done, so can't we just say we passed a bunch of laws and pretend everyone is safer? We'll call it the 'Super Deadly Gun Ban Act' and it will ban fully-automatic bolt action shotguns and armor piercing hollow points and any magically enchanted guns. And then all the dumb people will cheer, 'We is safer!' So it's the same result as an 'assault weapon' ban, but no enforcement costs and no petty intrusions on liberty. If people want useless things done to make us all feel safer, can't we all just play along?" --humorist Frank J. Fleming Gun Laws and bans don't work. Attack guns and you make things a lot more dangerous. Look at Australia for Gods sake. Educate yourselves on what has alraedy happened in places where this stupidity has been enforced. I do not have the time, nor the space here to give you all the flaws in the logic of gun bans. I implore you folks to do you reasearch somewhere other than these forums and get the truth. Joinining the NRA and reading the American Rifleman would be a good place to start. And don't start with the NRA bashng here. That organization is the only hope gun owners in America have at this point.

Back to the topic please. It was mentioned that hunters need some type of organization that promotes their image? Some of you may not like this thought, but that organization is already there, although many hunters and gun owners hate it as much as the anti's do. That's because they listen to what the mass media says about it, rather than getting their info from the organization itself. The one expert organization on the subject of guns, gun rights, hunting and target shooting is the NRA. With the inevitable onslaught of gun control measures that are about to be forced upon law abiding gun owners of all stripes, the only thing that is going to stop politicians from suceeding, is a united front on behalf of all gun owners in America. There are only about 3 mllion members in the NRA now, so Obama feels he will be able to get Congress to agree they are not a threat to their re-election down the road. But if there were 50, or 100 million NRA members, the politicians wouldn't even consider making law abiding gun owners pay for the sins of these crazed killers. I know some will say the NRA is bad, makes us look bad, is extreme, is BS, etc., etc. But the fact is, they are comprised of just regular gun owners, that have always been the big stick in the gun control fight, have had many sucesses in the battle, defend all gun owners and totally support the 2nd Amendment in every respect. Some folks believe they make us all look bad because they don't compromise. But if you understand why they don't compromise and support those positions, you will see the anti-gun agenda and bad gun law proposals stop. If you don't join the NRA, or worse yet, attack the NRA in public forums like this one, you prove to the anti's a lot of gun owners can be stripped of their rights willingly, to buy a little perceived protection for themselves from the anti's. That means you are willing to let gun ownership become a privilege and forgo the 2nd Amendment rights you currently have. That will be the beginning of the end of gun rights in America. They may not be perfect, but right now, in this fight, they are the best hope that we have got. If you don't join the NRA now, you can kiss the 2nd Amendment, as we know it today, good-bye. This is my opinion on the subject. Gun owners didn't cause these problems in America, but they are going to be made to pay the price for them, even if it won't make any effective difference in solving the problem. United we win. Divided, we have already lost. It is the government's responsibilty to correct the problem, but is our responsibility to see the problem is effectively corrected without taking the rights of American citizens away.

Not sure about that. If their ammo was black powder, the results may have been different.

Cool video for firefighters that shows you what happens to ammo when burned and abused.

You fire the one that had a chance, and failed!!

He's right. They have proven they are to irresponsible to own a gun.

NY would rather you get killed by a criminal than defend your life against a criminal and kill him. I all boils down to the government's lack of trust in responsible citizens. They want to control all of us and what we can, and cannot, do. They really do think guns kill people, rather than believe bad people kill people. They also believe a gun will somehow cause an intelligent, law abiding individual, to become a crazed serial killer, simply by allowing that person to carry a gun. If you vote for one of these NY legislators, you are saying you agree with them on this issue. If you don't know what an elected official's position on this issue is, find out prior to voting for him.