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Big difference between local joe's archery shop and Gander Mountain. I doubt Joe has shareholders, nor mega banks backing their loans. Nor does he keep track of sales per sq/ft or foot trafic data.
Really this is a very simple math problem for any store of size/volume. Different perspective for small shop who is trying to drum up business on a small scale. He's also clearing out his lanes for dual purpose. His opportunity cost is smaller because of the fact that he's simply just not generating revenue on the lanes. I suspect he'd think twice if he had a room set up solely for classes 10-15x a year and had to pay heat, rent, maintenance, etc. on that room. This is the case at GM. The room isn't being used for anything else other than classes...so when it is not packed full with people (which its not 9 of 10 days), it's not only not generating a profit, but costing them money as well, on a much bigger scale.
A store that size generates around $150-$190 per sq/ft (Dick's is $187 give or take). Say the classroom is 25'x25'... that's 625 sq/ft. Let's assume they hit $175 sq/ft. That's $110k in revenue generation. Say they have one class per week at 20 students (being generous as they don't have 52 classes a year there for hunter's ed)...52x20 = 1,040 students. See where this is going? Now let's assume it costs around $30k to operate that room...so that room would need to generate about $140k in a fiscal year from those 1,040 students. Do you think you are going to get $135 per student? Nope. Now, in reality, they probably only do 1-2 classes per month. So, make that amount $270 per student. You can continue to add in other factors and the amounts go up up and up.
Math shows their decision to nix the classes and financially smart.
makes sense, I was unaware they had space set aside for the sole purpose of the classes........I assumed they just cleared out a space a few weekends/evenings a year and put everything back for the next business day.
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I always figured these sporting good stores, regardless of size, hosted these classes with the intention of gaining new customers and making money off them......I don't see how it costs my local archery shop a nickel to run them, they just clear out the archery lanes on days they are normally closed and run the classes.......and no doubt they sell a couple hundred bucks, if not more, on new gear as well as gaining some repeat customers out of it.
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I think what he is getting at is when people have said not being able to hunt bucks would change participation, some of them had comments made/high horse views.
I concur with that.
We want the choice to shoot any and all bucks (legally), but yet if we can't shoot any buck, its not OK for people reduce or change participation or interest levels. At least that's my POV. I find that flawed.
I don't think we should force what is a trophy to anyone. If they want to shoot a spike and are happy - I am happy fo them. If they want to shoot a doe, I am happy for them. If they don't want to hunt as much because of removing a major component of deer hunting, I am happy for them.
I may have missed it, but I didn't really see anyone bashing someone who said they would not have the same interest in hunting if bucks were no longer legal targets......I found it somewhat surprising as did a few others, and not really in a bad way, I really don't concern myself with why others hunt.........on the other hand, there were without question, those who basically called the one's who say they would not change why or how they hunt liars, for lack of a better word....it seems that some of the guys who enjoy hunting for big bucks as their main, if not only reason for being out, are the one's who don't believe or take issue with the one's who don't really go out there with the same goals. But that's just what I've taken away from this so far.
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What an all time foolish statement....where did anyone say or even imply, with this 5 page repeat of opinions, even suggest they were buck haters?
I missed it as well, best I can come up with is that if killing bucks really isn't an important priority for you, that must mean you hate bucks and those who target them..........much like you're considered a liar by some if you say that you would not change how or why you hunt if they removed bucks from the equation.
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I have a few naturally whitened doe skulls that I found while hiking. I just don't know how you'd ever be able to distinguish them. In the age of digital photographs I've built libraries on my computer that certainly helps. I make sure to take hunter/harvest pics after every deer. Regardless.
well taken photos are better than mounts in my opinion....I really enjoy breaking out the photo albums and looking at old pictures of past hunts.
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It would be more than fair chase with most hunters...There is some good info there but i dont agree with the 115 grand to improve 1 inch of bone. I did not read the whole deal but i can tell you that if i were to release a few years worth of blood around here i could make many inches of improvement to the local herd. Does would be home bodies and bucks would disperse but they would still grow to be much bigger.
here's another question for you........if you took a wild doe from an area with crappy food sources, like some areas of the Catskills.........impregnated it with the semen from one of your bucks, and then released it back into the wild where it was taken from, what could be expected, would those genetics be wasted because the area is not really suited for growing big bucks?
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yearling is 1.5 years old....any younger is called "young of the year" by the biologists.
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how did you age this deer at 2.5?
I didn't, the Biologist at the check station did...is that good enough for you?
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I do agree that everyone enjoys hunting for a different reason... but even those that say "nothing would change" would find that something was missing from hunting if bucks were off limits... I find it funny how the "meat hunters" that say the old adage "you can't eat the horns" are awfully excited when they kill their first big buck and can't wait to show everybody... I still say most talk a good game when they say nothing will change for them, but I'm not buying it... and I believe those that really would choose doe hunting over buck hunting could be counted on one hand... but if it makes them feel better to say otherwise, who am I to burst their bubble. But I'm still not buying any of it...
see, I say I respect guys who hunt for big bucks..but as you've proven those same guys can't turn around and say they understand why guys hunt for different reasons...believe me when I say I could give TWO SHITS LESS IF I EVER KILLED A BIG BUCK...NOTHING WOULD BE MISSING FOR ME IF I COULD NEVER SHOOT A BUCK AGAIN...GET IT?...Jesus F'n Christ why is that so hard to understand?
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Less than a year, weighing 50-80lbs. the ones you can throw over your shoulder. usually the ones who are willing to look right at you in the stand and not spook off. its easy to identify the young dumb ones...
I hunted Montauk L.I. a few years ago...shot a 2.5 year old spike that weighed 51 pounds.....what category does that deer fall into?
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I think it changes things... the whole majesty of the whitetail comes from the beauty of the mature antlered buck... the hormone change in the buck that comes with the production of antlers is what makes the buck so interesting... like the male of the human species.. we are different in our internal make-up than woman... the testosterone is the difference. The buck's antlers are what separates it from the doe population and gives it the magnetism that entices hunters into wanting to hang it on their wall... without antlers a whitetail really has no majesty and is just another cute animal in the forest. Indians that hunted the whitetail for food and relied on that food for survival still sought bucks with large antlers.. and sported them on head dressings as a symbol of their hunting prowess.. the huge whitetail buck has never lost that mystical quality and without it deer hunting would still exist... but would not be the same. This is pretty much true for all game animals that sport antlers... it is a defining property of the animal that cannot be ignored.
well put, and I hope everyone who are big buck hunters feel that way and aren't doing it for superficial reasons......I agree there is something about seeing and taking a nice buck that really gets the blood going........But, honestly it still would change nothing for me as far as how and why I deer hunt if they were no longer legal. I totally respect the guys who search for the big bucks and accept nothing less, just as everyone else deserves the respect or at least acceptance if their reason for hunting is totally different than theirs.
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I wonder how the guys who spent thousands and thousands of dollars turning their property into fantastic big buck growing habitat would feel....that would suck, and I mean that in all seriousness, many live deer and deer hunting year round.
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So any 2 year old deer is not"Big" "Mature" enough for you to harvest?
from what I've heard about a wild deer's life expectancy, 2.5 years old would pretty much mean half that deers life is already over....how much longer would someone want to wait?
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did someone really mention Phillie Blunts?
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Sleep deprivation is a key component of post-traumatic stress disorder, or P.T.S.D., according to Jonathan Shay, a clinical psychiatrist who has worked at the Veterans Affairs facility in Boston and is the author of “Odysseus in America: Combat Trauma and the Trials of Homecoming” (2002). He told me that sleep is “fuel for the frontal lobes of the brain,” which handle “ethical and emotional self-restraint” and “the ability to say, ‘This is now and that was then.’ ” He added, “In a sleep-deprived brain, there is only an eternal present.”
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no change here whatsoever...it would still mean exactly the same to me, enjoying outdoors, spending time with family & friends and hopefully putting meat on the table.
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http://www.dec.ny.gov/pubs/98903.html
bottom question is answered about target shooting.
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Some state land doesn't allow target shooting so be careful.
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true, make sure you check the regulations before doing what I suggested.
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I like to shoot and pattern my gun as I would be shooting in a hunting situation, sitting down with my back to a tree.....I stick with 30 yards using hevi shot. The range in Calverton out on L.I. may allow this to be done, last time I went it was more a less a free for all, but that was many years ago.........I just make a trip out to some secluded State land and do my patterning there.
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I'm assuming it's a used gun.....if so, I wonder how much or little the previous owner walked away with? I've seen what some gun shops pay people who are desperate to sell.
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a cord of wood should be 128 cubic feet, a lot of places sell a cord as two rows of wood 8' x 4'.........only problem is the logs usually aren't 2' long so you're not getting a full cord, there was a bunch of wood guys shorting people on L.I. a few years ago and some filed complaints with The Dept of Weights and Measures and believe it or not they actually followed up on it and went after the guys..........if I need to buy I always ask for a receipt saying I was sold a full cord, usually keeps them honest.
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I have long grown weary of these conversations. Between the people who aren't honest with their rationale as to why they shoot what they shoot, and poachers who shoot multiple small bucks every year on their tags and the tags of others and then complain about not seeing any big bucks in the areas they hunt.
On whole we are not the brightest group around (hunters) and this makes us easy pickings for those who oppose our views and way of life, between our apathy,divisiveness and ignorance we are pretty much doomed or the next generation of us is.
Excluding the young hunters or the first time hunters (I know some here get enraged if we deny a new hunter the ability to kill a spike horn) If you were in a deer rich area (assured of seeing deer almost every time you go out) and it is the last day of the season and you have a buck tag and a DMAP tag in your pocket and you see a 1 1/2 year old buck and some mature does in the same group of deer.(the assumption being that you have a clean ethical shot at all of them) If you choose to drop the 1 1/2 year old buck you are as much of an antler whore as those of us who hold out for a mature buck and you are lying to yourself and everyone else if you say that isn't the case.
I'm sorry to hear that you're not very bright, and perhaps you associate with others of similar intelligence, giving you the impression that hunters are not very smart.....hopefully it's not hereditary and you won't be passing it on to future generations..........but please don't generalize and assume that the majority of hunters are "not the brightest group around".
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And when you fail to kill a deer that cant get out of a 100 acre pen?
I'll promote your farm and you can use my likeness to do so...
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I can have hunts on any one of the 6 one acre pens i have. Most of my deer go to other farms as breeders. The only ones that go to high fence ranches are the ones that dont pan out like their breeding says they should. I am thinking about fencing in 100 acres or so and do archery only hunts. One on one. That way i can invite every mouth that says high fence is not hunting over for a few day,s to let them try and kill a buck of their liking. I will show you the pics of bucks to pick from and you go kill that buck. You kill him and he's yours with no charge.
Every failure would be made public
sign me up...I'll be happy to be the first to try.
If they stopped all Buck hunting.
in Deer Hunting
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of course you can throw out dozens of scenarios, But I'm sure most are just responding to the question at it's face value...which I took to basically mean, how important are bucks as far as a persons hunting goes...........maybe we need another thread titled "if you couldn't hunt bucks, and chances are you wouldn't get a DMP, would it change how you hunt?".....or "if deer meat was poisonous, would you still hunt?".....