Geno C

and my bowling comment was a response to this and as i said after it was a joke response. Is that the best you got? This comment was the one who said to do somethng oither than hunting? Jump on this one Don't get hot, Bubba. I wasn't in my comment. I only pointed out how, my life in particular doesn't always allow for me to dedicate the amount of time I would like too. But I was also tyring to say that everyone shoudl now their limitations and make responsible decissions. we owe that much to the game we persue. Just not black or white in the quantity of time from what i see bubba makes his comments and then when its debated hes gotta some how start to show his d**K. As steve stated earlier in this thread this is not the first time. and bubba dont tell me i dont know what i am talking about....

LOL bubba you get so serious. lighten up...

I believe hGeno is taking exception to this comment and it was the same one I was commenting on, specifically the last sentence. thank you.... lol

LOL ok... i killed 3 deer this year, my time paid off sir...

get over it? you make comments about the time people put in... i dont know why the last few of your posts start out with " i never said" guess we are all confused and should get over it lol i understand what you said clearly... and i do think its great that you put that time in.

im so sure people are upset? i for one am not upset that you put the time in... i put my time in and it pays off for myself...

and how do you know the guy who cant get as much to hunt due to maybe his wife, a kid, work or so on doesnt shoot the bow more then you or I out in his yard? ??? just cause he cant get away for the drive to the property or sneak away for a hunt more often doesnt mean hes not slinging arrows during the off season for a few minutes. you dont know.

i know a guy who practices alot off season, gets in thwe woods and wounds 5 deer a season. never to be found. i dont associate myself with him. he is not my freind and i do not agree with what he does. but there are incidents where guys shoot almost all summer with the bow/gun and still wound deer. its luck of the draw. i guess the saying shooting at paper or a 3d target is no where near the same as shooting at alive animal, especially one a good size. Thank your stars you personally are "lucky" enough to practice in the form you do. some dont have the liberty as you i guess. i practice moderatly during the summer and ill tell you what Bubba put that deer in front of me and ill close that deal. i dont need to shoot my ass to make due. The threads reads luck or skill... and absolutely you better have the skill to make that shot when it does come, in no way do i disagree. But even a guy who practices does make mistakes.

LMAO... god i love these threads....

yeah that thing does look sweet

your totally misleading what i am telling you and i will leave it at that.... if you dont understand what i am conveying to you by now you wont at all. im not trying to change you as a hunter, iam saying there are alot of things YOU have no control over but since you sound like you have total control ill leave it at that. i critique my hunts just as much as the next guy does to sharpen my own edge as a hunter but im not the type to think every possible thing that goes wrong in hunt is me or a factor i can change every time. when i get to that point i will stop hunting because it will probably not be fun anymore. im not going to argue with you, if you believe you are successful souly becasue your skills are great, well im not going to take the air out of your sails.

Im surprised, we dont have a hunter on here who happens to be a DEC Officer??

wow, didnt think it would be in the thousands. thats alot...

I would keep the antlers if found after season no known laws to keeping them i beleive you can get in trouble for that. You would have to notify the DEC and they would fill out the paper work on it and let you take it. at that point i would assume they would treat it like a shed anter and you would be able to keep the rack. only upon DEC paper work.

yeah around the 800 mark sounds about right. your right tho, my guess would be around there as well from the retailer.

oh thats sucks man... well atleast you got the closure on him. my guess is 2 1/2 as well...

I think there is plenty of skill necessary to take bucks during the rut, especially mature bucks. While they may have changed focus from food to breeding, there are still unique challenges that must be overcome to be successful. Luck certainly plays a role in any hunt, but the more skill I develop, the luckier I seem to get. Odd. There are certainly times where I shake my head at such good luck, but when I think about it, almost all of my luck was brought on by my preparation that gave me the opportunity to begin with. On the flip side, when I make a mistake, I need to think about the hole in my game plan that caused it. dont get me wrong but as you evolve as a hunter some of the "skill" you have claimed becomes common sense rather then actual skill... i agree with the more skill you get the more luckier you do but if it was the other way around does that mean your loosing your skill??? if you happen to make less kills and have a 2-3 year period of no success does that mean you are loosing that skill? id say no and chalking it up to luck, wouldnt you? No, I wouldn't chalk a 2-3 year dry spell on luck. I'm doing something wrong at that point, or there are external factors that I need to address (land access, trespassing, deer pattern changes, gun/bow issues, etc.). Again, alot of it depends on what you call success, and therein lies the debate. But, a 2-3 year dry spell to me signals something wrong. One year, maybe....but I better have: A. Missed a shot B. Had fewer than normal days a field C. Thoroughly scouted out why I'm having this issue, and come to no conclusion. I agree that luck is certianly part of the equation, sometimes it'll make you shake your head in disbelief for bad or good. But, luck is not the cause for most hunters being unsuccessful...its the hunter. There's something they could be doing better or differently. I hate to say it, but luck is a crutch, and it's usually not accurate to do so. Skill and common sense are sometimes one in the same. Just because you learn it and take action does not mean it's becomes any less important. Finding a funnel or inside corner may be common sense, but it still takes skill to make it work consistently. im not talking about any hunter in general, im talking about you. assuming you do your normal regiment, scouting,decenting the whole 9. And then had we'll say a back to back year where you came up not filling a tag and assuming you put in your time and so on. can your skill change the wheather conditions? can you make it stop raining when it turns out to be a wet season? perhaps wind? skill doesnt have much bearing on that... my point is you as a hunter can do ALL, YOU can do to make your BEST effort on putting yourself on deer i agree a 100% but you have no 100% control over the guys sneaking on your land spreading there scent around or if you hunt public land perhaps another hunter walking past your stand. however when by luck wheather conditions happen to be perfect, or you are the only one hunting that particular parcel that day and no one is there to ruin your hunt, or you get in the woods on a weekend and not one person entered those woods all week and you JUST happen to connect on a nice buck. well that my freind is considered luck no matter how you slice it. conditions were perfect and it was your day sir. there are so many variables that can come into effect and ruin ones hunt but you are right your skill will take you to the point of ironing out that stand you beleive to be the one that will produce but unfortunatly THERE ARE NO GUARENTEES in deer hunting. you can have the best skills among all but there are many variables that are out of your hands and ours for that matter. Alls im saying is your skill will only go so far before you happen to be a lucky man sitting over one of your proudest deer and hunting moments ever endured. But to say your skills drives your hunts to me would make me beleive you are a VERY successful deer hunter who usually comes out on top. alittle luck never hurt anyone and even the "PROS" guys who get paid to hunt get lucky. its not a bad thing to admit, It DOES NOT make a guy less of a hunter. I happen to think my skills are pretty darn good However, i can only try to hold deer on my proprty or pick that stand i think will be a money spot, i can only add all my pcs of the pie together over years of experience like you stated but if that deer doesnt happen to ever come by your stand while your there, well id hope for my luck to change alittle and get back in the sattle.

good job Eddie, sounds like you did the right thing and you got some meat of of the deal. It was nice your buddy thought of you to do whats right.

the Z7 Extreme looks like a sweet bow along with the Monster MR5! not an inexpensive bow by any means from what we can see... i would like to pick up the MR5 but that price tag is silly.

I think there is plenty of skill necessary to take bucks during the rut, especially mature bucks. While they may have changed focus from food to breeding, there are still unique challenges that must be overcome to be successful. Luck certainly plays a role in any hunt, but the more skill I develop, the luckier I seem to get. Odd. There are certainly times where I shake my head at such good luck, but when I think about it, almost all of my luck was brought on by my preparation that gave me the opportunity to begin with. On the flip side, when I make a mistake, I need to think about the hole in my game plan that caused it. dont get me wrong but as you evolve as a hunter some of the "skill" you have claimed becomes common sense rather then actual skill... i agree with the more skill you get the more luckier you do but if it was the other way around does that mean your loosing your skill??? if you happen to make less kills and have a 2-3 year period of no success does that mean you are loosing that skill? id say no and chalking it up to luck, wouldnt you?

wow thats a big buck!

i believe its more luck then skill but skill puts you in the right place most of the time and the luck of the deer coming by plays that part. i dont think its mostly skill, all your skills goes out the window when the rut comes and theres no rhyme or reason on deer pattern ( in most cases) but i think luck comes into hand at that point. just my 2 cents. some may disagree...

when was the season?? i totally forgot about it

i wouldnt recomend doing it... i would just buy a cheap hanger if thats the case. atleast one that locks in...

LAMO!! leave Doc alone he hasnt quite stepped into the new age yet.... jk Doc i dont think its all that much to restring a bow, cant be alot? but what some may consider alot some may consider a good deal...