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Chas0218- PLEASE share it everywhere you can!!! Roadkill- I was blank slate with expectations. Around 550 as I type this....not bad considering it was 250 last night (after 4-5 hours being up). If it surpasses 3000 (God willing and hoping) it will really carry weight. It is sad to think that out of a state with 750,000 licenses sold that we couldn't hit 3, 5, 15k. DATA IS ATTACHED -PDF Great info for sure.Please do not read the data until you have completed the survey Spread the word, text it (it can be smart phone completed), Facebook, Twitter or QR code below. Survey QR code. Deer Satisfaction Survey 2016 GJS 2 22 16 at 701pm.pdf

Self-made. Thank you for your appreciation and participation. Like many of the suggestions provided after the fact...I was driven at the moment- drafted it- ran it by a few buddies and the wife for editorial...scrapped some questions and out it went. Could've made a better product but felt it was best to strike when the iron was hot.

Hi Guys. Sorry for the delayed response. When I figure out how to post the results- I will. I would sort of prefer to post them at the end (3/31/16) but will check out the options prior. As for the comment boxes- I think we are past that point. I omitted them for a couple reasons. There is 1) an upcharge for them as I read it and 2) most folks don't want to comment...and my goal was selling a 3-5 min multiple choice survey to sell the participation value of it. where is it going? In the end it will make it to the DEC and the big game board specifically. I may include the qdma and the nyscc on this as well. I feel both organizations are too into their agendas to know what people really want. Not trying to stir the pot or derail the thread with that commentary but throwing it out there as food for thought. As for the negativity- I get it. I wrote this being inspired by the antler restriction statement produced by the DEC last week. Topic aside I was enraged to see a private sportsman's group managed to get a not so random survey of 2700 people (out of the states 750,000 hunters) to reach the point of policy. I also am so sick of the DEC not giving every license holder the opportunity for feedback. Our license dollars feed a machine that most feel very little is produced from. Our divided groups (ARs, Gun vs Bow, etc) all for the lack of unity to make us a push over. The goal was to have deer hunters banded together making a statement. Its not perfect, nor are we...but it was my best shot. Better to do something than nothing, right? I truly feel we are owed more respect and opportunity than afforded and am trying to rally more into realizing that. Just my 2 cents..thanks for the support, your time and your patience. Will do all I can to provide value to us as a whole. Feel free to post or pm me any thoughts you have. THANK YOU

Ladies and Gentlemen, please note the survey link below. This is a quick multiple choice means to submit your thoughts on the current state of deer hunting here in NY. Thank you so much for your time and participation. https://eSurv.org?s=LCMNKI_d9fc06fd

Starting new thread with the new survey thank you for all the help

I just finished a much better and bigger (though all multiple choice for quick easy quantifiable completion). It's in editorial review and beta testing. Hope to have the link up tonight. Have you ever noticed all the different areas wildlife dollars get out and tied up? Hunter surveys have their own account- and that's what pays Cornell for their review and "contribution". Good ole misappropriated NYS.

I just made a quick beta survey on Survey Monkey but this site wont allow me to c&p the link. SM limits you to 10 questions does anyone have another free site to use/suggest with more options?

Rob and Gman you are absolutely correct it is a privilege and a right- it is also where they get their dollars from to pay wages and do all of these other no hunting things. Even if 10% said they're not buying or everyone purchased at the last minute we would rumble the house in Albany. I don't think this is what you're saying but they would not have a likely desired outcome to ban/stop hunting so conformity isn't of concern. We have more control over them than they do us provided our ranks can gather and speak in some regard. That inability is why their fly by night has become the norm. The SAFEACT was similar IMO- most sat on their duffs saying it can't ever happen... and viola... It did. Great idea on the petition. Feeling like I am going to start one of those online surveys. Ultimately FSW is spot on- dollars get heard first. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thanks for the reply. In agreement with more vocalization. We need townhalls and everybody to have a line of contribution. Its like getting robbed and theif calling it a legit donation. I don't want to get into the issue by issue thing (and trust me I have opinions there) and did not know the doe only thing was formally dropped. I was also just beside myself to see that Kip Adams of the QDMA was quoted as commending the DEC's efforts with this whole thing. I swear they throw chit at the wall and see what sticks...as well as lie and know they cant be touched.

So what thoughts do you have to get us out of this current rut besides the drum solos?

In light of the recent press release on antler restrictions (and this post is not about those) something should be glaringly apparent to all..... The NYSDEC does not do their job or care about your opinion. Surely there are a few that may be formulating a reply as to how you feel the state is doing their job but hear me out, think, consider then reply. The antler restriction release from the DEC was whole fully borrowed from a private organization (NYSCC) . This organization is supposedly to represent the sportsman's interest but the only way to be part is to pay their fee. I see two big strikes there. Imagine the DEC released a statement saying Antler Restrictions are coming based on support of the QDMA. Most associate the QDMA with trophy deer management and those opposed to the idea would cry out as this would be the obvious outcome and intention of their efforts, right? You could use PETA with anti hunting legislation or the NRA with pro-gun legislation if those keep the internal politics down. So why the hell is a private group taking the DEC's ear for direction on what people want if they don't include anyone but their like minded members? the airbow thing that is a big law making issue for them and come from nowhere is made by a NY company and was taken to the DEC for review. Do we need that and why are they getting DECs ear but we as hunters do not? Next- lets get to the numbers. This "group" sent out 7000 surveys (random selection organization information was not provided), 2720 were replied. Mathematical variation was utilized to skew these numbers to represent the number of respondents to proportion for the number of hunters in the area. The data was also managed by Cornell University. A few points come to mind here.....why were there only 7000 sent out and since when is 1 out of 277 opinions enough to represent the majority. I took stats in college and I understand sample pools but when the heck is more data going to hurt here? If everyone could have the option to participate in the survey using an online portal with their Hunter License number (low tech here) the same numerically gauged metric questions could be answered by all if they so choose. Don't participate- don't cry. Why the heck is Cornell handling all these hunter things at our cost (yes your wildlife dollars go there) ...many less biased firms could do this and cheaper. Thinking if I put together a survey with 2700 responses backing the shortening of gun season the DEC would back it? Would you? We have a big game biologist (deer & bear for the most part) for each of the 9 regions. Two-three more at the Albany level. We have no dedicated deer biologists in a state of 700,000 resident and 50,000 non resident hunters (per the DEC webpage). Not one. There was in 2012 $46,600,000 in hunting license gross sales. Would be a reasonable assumption that 9 of 10 licenses are being sold to someone who hunts big game. Most are not hunters as well. We continually hear about only 40% of bg hunters report their kills? Why the heck don't the other 60% get cited? In a state that will fine you for a long list of silly things how is this opportunity being passed? After all their revision's of the harvest reporting system they should at least force folks to do that...or is it better to say that the numbers are 60% computed? Why are there 4 year long deer management plans that are so strictly adhered to? We had two of the worst winters on record here in wNY in 14 & 15. The deer management plan did not change in accordance....but yet the methods to kill more deer was bumped up to harvest even more. What sorts of review or discussion took place with these changes (antlerless only this year)? How is it they don't even have their act together with what to do on deer management but will be leasing a black and white four year management plan in just a few months? I always email may thoughts in when something is posted on their page allowing comments for review but who reads them? Where is the data on what was read and how it quantifies? Anything decision related should have a number/metric vote system. Even if the electoral college votes different than my choices most times here in NY someone can provide a number (BS or not) on what the actual public vote was. PA will pay you $25 for each coyote you kill. NY says coyotes don't effect the deer population and has shortened the season multiple times in the past few years. I love how NYON gets all the scoop before we as hunters do....a private newspaper. Right up there with the DEC selling advertising space in the syllabus which lifetime license holders do not receive anyway. Here is my big one- How does the DEC figure its population numbers for a given WMU? You can say 9F is above where it needs to be but how is it know what the population is and that it is too high? How many nonhunting areas/interfaces effect this deer data as well? Some region 9 examples - minding this is the most densely hunter populated area of the state. There are 19 wildlife management areas in this region. About 60% of the WMAs are less than 300 acres. Some of these are non-hunting and many have water or marsh that cannot be hunted. I did note anything on food (agriculture) or big game species habitat development. Haven't noted this for any WMA in NYS as a matter of fact. In the great scheme of NY discussing all the wild properties that can be accessed (and are secured and maintained with hunter dollars) many cannot be hunted or are not great places to hunt (IE the ADK park). Ever go to Ohio and see what your $125 nonresident license gets you? Helpful staff, tons of public (most of which is closed to nonhunters during season as it paid for by hunters) with food sources and continual management. We have 19 Conservation Officers in Region 9. These folks handle everything from environmental dump & spills violations, to open fires, drug busts, fishing & game laws. This is 5354 square mile area meaning each one has to cover nearly 300 sq miles IF theyre on duty and related to fisheries and wildlife enforcement (and mind you hunting is only half of those two words). SO what do we get for our dollars? Why are their judgement casting surveys (and there have been a few big ones within the past 10 years) using such a ridiculously small sample pool? How are they even serving us as hunters? Sure we can pay for parks for hikers and bird watchers, salamander surveys, etc. but some return on investment would be nice or at least take our opinions into account. The inmates cant run the asylum and there will always be someone left unhappy but...guys/gals we are getting screwed here. Bad. User satisfaction has to be part of what the state reviews and they have to be able to justify what they're doing in regard to game resources, research and management. Do I have the answer? Perhaps- I think we as hunters need to ask for substantiation on numbers provided, all of our opinions to be heard and to be part of the decision making process. Internally we need to get off our duffs and ask for more. You're a champ if you read all this....thanks for your ear...hoping we can rally and force some positive changes out of this mismanaging organization.

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As long as I had the rest I would not shy from any NY range I've seen for whitetails Changing from the 100s to the 120s elk would be a in trouble out west. 0-400 and you really don't need a rangefinder and it takes wind well. The 300 looks fun- the new 6.5-300 looks like something I need Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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And the reason we need this.....or more so that state prioritized making them legal with everything else happening in our hunting and fishing community is .....?????????? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Hi guys. Three cams up here. Sg560 - like new - long range black flash, box warranty card etc. comes w sd card batts and screw in mount as well as strap. Sg550- also like new- long range black flash, box warranty card etc. also comes w as card and batts. These two cams maybe saw 2 months of use. Amazing little cams A little acorn. Red ir. Comes w battery booster pack (mounted to cam). Broke the one plastic latch and replaced w a bent piece of wire. Was $350 3 yrs ago. Kick butt little cam. Going all cell- selling these cheap. Near Darien but may be able to meet you during if you're in the wNY area. Pm for pics. $175 for all three (total)

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I am saying they're nearly giving it away if it is as you described. If you don't want it let me know where it is and we can talk about access. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

And that's if they succeed at the one in a bazillion odds of being caught. Why doesn't the state change it ? Because they don't care. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Not to be the bearer of bad news but at that price you better rob Peter to pay Paul or list it on here and hope the new owner doesn't have a clue on hunting compared to you Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I love my lone wolfs- alphas w sticks that is. I haven't hunted out of state in a few years and that was the primary use for this climber. If I were to use another comfort matters more than packing them in as it would be in mature woods around here. I absolutely agree that this is the best carrying climber there is- just changing the locale and way I hunt to some degree. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Hi. I have a Lw alpha climber, paracord carry straps, third hand side straps. $240 bo if picked up(14040) Lw stick quiver (2pc) $30 Would consider Lw chain on( even an xop), nice ground blind or even a summit sd viper on trade or to trade toward with cash. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk