dbHunterNY

don't know either.... I've got a couple clover plots I've used as staging areas that I just haven't gotten to. I only have non-selective spray and haven't gotten around to get getting anything else. I hope that's not the case either.

There's a disconnect with reading things on the internet. We're most definitely good. I'm an engineer and my wife tells me I tend to present info and stuff in a way that's either arrogant or annoying. just the way my nuts and bolts mind works I guess. talking face to face isn't a worry but sometimes it gets me wondering about posting stuff on here. some people spend quite some time on here. I'd hate to ruin the experience.

ideally someone should shoot right handed if they're right eye dominant. I'm right handed, shoot right handed, and am left eye dominant. I've had surgery to correct a lazy eye for asthetics but I basically still have a "lazy" eye, so my eyes don't really focus on a specific point together. my right eye vision is slightly more crisp than my dominant left eye. glasses ad more difficulty along with the fact that having a lazy eye limits my depth perception. It's what works best for me though. both instinctive and with fancy compounds.

this is an internet forum I don't know who you are or what you do. I'm just putting some of the info out there of what I know or understand works. I agree with your last post bow fit is important. Getting by with improper fit bow, I know and see it. I'm with you no need to guess with draw length. I just started commenting when you knocked the wing span method, because it's the best way I know for a starting point. sorry if I stepped all over your post. I don't mean for it to be a who's more qualified and has the right info thing. happens a lot on here. I just type what I know and reply to what's seems different from that. end of the day I'm just another person on the internet.

definitely be a kick in the pants if they do both options you mentioned during bow season. not sure if even DEC is that brazen. I do think that whatever they implement will be something easily monitored as an general condition within an area versus monitoring a hunters take throughout the season such as OBR or EAB. they aren't really setup for those too either. something I noticed is 4J being bow only would still get lumped in with areas already having ARs in place. if they stay simple like 3 on a side it won't change too much, but any bigger and doe will be hunted something fierce. hard enough for some to get a doe unless they venture farther away from Albany in which legislation was passed to allow for rifle use opposed to shotgun.

....resolution isn't the best like i said in another post but you can look at a better map or the guide to pickout which WMUs they are.

don't get outdoor news but i'll attach the map from the DEC draft report. i imagine catskills would be broken out into the 7th and final zone. here's a better map to compare and figure out which WMU are which.... ....meant to say 8th zone but yea.... they said 7 at most. us in 4C is way different than the catskills which are more like the northern zone.

less areas means fewer decisions, less work, and less budget costs I'd imagine.

yea I know the thinking behind it. i know more people that hold out and then fold on a younger buck they wouldn't shot earlier in the season. it doesn't matter when a buck dies during the season. many hunters i know have legal buck opportunity here and there well into the season. that's what i see here and what you see out there is just what you said. i really don't think it matters at all at this point. DEC needs to just choose something and see how well it works. it wouldn't be the end of the world if they got mediocre results. none of it will completely ruin the deer hunting here in NY. there's no perfect solution for DEC either, because some people just aren't going to be happy no matter what. if you had a nice 130+" buck as your 1 buck and then while out to fill a doe tag or two you had multiple encounters with a booner (or in some perfect world a 200" buck) that moved in. you'd think a 1 buck rule got shoved down throat so hard you'd feel like you got kicked in the rear. some hunters somewhere will be bent due to their particular circumstance, but DEC just has to act.

I'd hate the idea of being the local guy at the checkstation that says you're deer isn't 2.5+. lol I'd be all for it. I like the idea and maybe think it'd even be great for earning the 2nd buck tag. kind of like the bonus either sex DMPs they used to have.

in my experience you're better off maintaining the same draw length. you adjust the D-loop and or release aid to make the proper fit for your specific anchor points (aside from corner of mouth and nose. even the cheap cheapest index finger releases can and should be adjusted. they're taken apart to an extent and the threaded rod making up the barrel of the release can be cut away little by little until it's the proper length so you're not reaching with your finger, regardless of the draw length. just what I've found.

looking at the map in the draft report you'd probably fall with northwestern WMU like anything north of 9A, 9F, 8G, 8H, and 8J. Also included would probably be 8M, 8S, and 7H.

even in the actual draft report the image file sucks. not sure it'd do much good to figure out how to put it up here. it's still a draft too.

don't know where I'd fall either. won't know until we see the map I guess. whole WMUs would fall into one or another though.

earn a buck does work but it's not for a vast majority of the state like you eluded to. only areas with the highest doe numbers could it be successfully implemented. they wouldn't have to get rid of DMPs because it would only be implemented in an area that you would be guaranteed one.

a vast majority who take a buck only end up shooting one buck per season. especially as the season carries on a young buck is more likely to be taken. it wouldn't effect the end result much here in NY for overall harvest data. From a biology stand point it wouldn't do anything significant to protect yearling bucks either.

a lot of great bows in the 330fps IBO range for $400-450.

I've measured many people's wing span for draw length and got right on the money. Most of the time you go to a shop and they measure you or look at you (height), make an experienced guess, and then see if it's right. Just starting he'll be better off seeing results using mechanical index finger triggered release aid. cheap hand held releases suck and better ones are about half his current budget. I agree though you need to know what release and don't go for the fastest (least forgiving) bow out there, but he's not in that price range anyway.

definitely noticed many of my apple trees down in the creek bottom that don't get a ton of apples are loaded this year.

even Sigs?? I'm not a pistol fanactic but I think my Sig 226 Elite Scorpion is pretty nice. Definitely a 220 scorpion or 227 enhanced elite would be a nice gun. full size but you're not really thinking carry.

if you were to use soap bars like that the deer will just slowly get accustomed to the scent and not fear it. scent and fear deer have to it is all relevant to where you are and the deer. if I hunted here in Albany and not too far off a hiking trail in the Pine Bush Preserve the deer would careless unless they spotted me. I could sit there with a bar in each pocket. if I was well off the trail, that'd be a different story. reason why I still use unscented hunting soap.

me too... not whole life but pretty common. I think we've got 10 or so from my wife's couponing in the basement.

Here's what I think, not that FourSeasons cares.... NY is a long ways away from being Ohio, Kansas, and other destination states. I know first hand that the mentality is simply different when it comes to harvest goals and antlers. Even out of state hunters with lower expectations (whom I know at least a dozen that have gone to Ohio alone) pass deer they'd never pass here regardless of where in the state of NY. It's possible that younger deer in NY reach that minimum 130", but I'd bet a vast majority are the dominant buck in the area with at least some age even if 3.5 years old. A buck like that will most likely have a home range of 600+ acres. Unless, his neighbors with a blocked management area or co-op I could see maybe 3-4 bucks tops visiting your farm. This is assuming he's got great or managed habitat that has a large quantity and separation of bedding cover so that multiple deer groups can live on his property without butting heads. After they take a buck or 4, I wouldn't expect there are many 130" bucks at the border just waiting to claim his turf. that puts him at $12-15k a year without overhead costs. Given his situation I'm not sure he'd be interested and rather save the hunting for friends and family. (Haven't finished the post but I just noticed his last one.)

try like heck to coax them into the chest freezer, but it's hard to get them to just jump right in there without bait. stupid NY rules.

a "good" deer I've figured out has a couple facts associated with it..... - it's based on what a hunter sees or knows is running around. if they haven't seen or gotten a picture of a basket racked buck then a spikes and little "crotch" horns are a good deer they'll shoot. if there's multiple 2.5 year old racked bucks running around then that's what they'll shoot. they never hold out based on some story of a big buck they heard by someone else, unless there's lots to support the deer is still there where they're hunting. - a "good" deer changes like the wind. one year it could be a typical 8 pointer the next it could be a spike. there's times a good deer even changes as the season nears the end based on what they've seen or what someone else shot first.