steve863

I rarely if ever sit the whole day. Most people will get bored, cold, etc. sitting the whole day and chances of not spotting a deer even if it was in the vicinity increase when one isn't alert enough. Some people these days pass their time by reading, playing games on their cell phones or listening to i-pods which I personally think is silly. I have heard a whole mess of deer before I ever saw them so having my ears plugged up or my attention on some silly game would surely have made me not see those deer. For me at least it works to get out of the woods for a while, have lunch, take a quick nap, and then be refreshed again for the afternoon hunt. I hunt a good sized parcel of land so I can also do some still hunting if I want. So I sometimes do this before or after my hunt sessions to help break the monotony.

I don't own a BP pistol so I really can't help you there. Getting back to your traumatic event, I am afraid that is just a part of hunting. Even though modern bows are far from primitive weapons, the bowseason is supposed to be a primitive style hunting season, so the situation you experienced will sooner or later definitely come up. One needs to understand that, I guess.

No, it is not legal to carry any sort of firearm while bowhunting. Cutting it's throat was and is your only option.

I think I paid like $99 for my supersportsman license this year. I think it's a bargain. People spend more each month for I-phones, cable TV, cigarettes, booze and all sorts of other garbage. $99 for the privilege to hunt anytime I want during the various seasons really is a drop in the bucket in the scheme of things.

No it doesn't go up every year. Yes, last year it did go up, but it was at least 6 years or so before that license costs went up last. And they did not go up again this year either.

So tell me, what does allowing the 1.5 to live do other than potentially give him a bigger rack for you guys to put on your walls? Does it really help the herd like most of you guys claim or is it benefitting YOU guys more than it is the deer?? Not being a wise guy here, only asking a simple question. The same genetics are spread whether the buck breeds at 1.5 or 5.5 so what are the advantages for the deer? I surely can't see any and the DEC has also come to the same conclusion it seems, so quite simply our points are more valid than yours in this discussion.

Why would you not have the opportunity to shoot a nice buck without AR's if you hunted hard and knew what you were doing? Doesn't matter where you hunt, either. Where on earth did all these bucks get shot out?? Not in NYS that's for sure. Plenty of deer were shot well before AR's were ever thought of and the hunting season was never completely shut down as far as I remember for lack of deer or bucks. Sure, not all of them were trophies, are they all trophies today with AR's?? No way! Never will be either.

I like this. Although in my case, I don't think I ever became obsessed with horns at anytime. Just getting to fill a tag and having some venison for the freezer was reward enough. Those who continue to want trophies can continue to do so, yet AR's shouldn't be implemented to penalize anyone else who doesn't care for trophies.

Wow, the world MUST be coming to an end. Doc actually has NO opinion on something. I think it's all a ploy to get on the good side with any women that might be on this site. He's probably figuring that in his advancing years he might get lucky one more time before he departs for the final happy hunting grounds!

Just as long as it's not during the bow season. The bowhunters associations wouldn't like this anymore than they do crossbows!

Your right, Doe. All the DEC cares about is that deer get shot, they don't care if they are .5, 1.5, 2.5 or any specific age. The AR people better start getting used to this. The only people who care about this age nonsense are the AR people, and we all know why. It has nothing to do with general herd health either. A 1.5 buck would be passing the same genetics on to his offspring as a 5.5 would. It's all about how big them horns might be on the ones they hopefully will get to shoot if we somehow can let them get older. That's ALL it is in a nutshell! Everything else is baloney.

Look bud, I don't consider myself more of a patriot or any such nonsense. I surely own foreign made products and have no problem with that. We all own cameras and maybe some of us hunted different locals BEFORE you ever did. The difference is that we don't post pictures, videos or brag about any of it and claim that the products we buy are somehow better than anyone else's like you did in the other thread where you posted the video that claimed expensive europeans rifles are less likely to blow up than American rifles if the barrel would become plugged. I don't care what you want to shoot and how much you want to spend for it. My first reply here was to Culver on what I would do in his shoes, and YOU somehow took the liberty to give me all the details and attributes of your Blaser. I can easily look up what the going price of these guns is. I say they are way overpriced for what you are getting, but of course it's your money and ego, so do whatever you wish.

Whatever, bud!! Most people don't post glossy photos of their weapons and give us their complete resumes like you like to. Some of us buy the plain jane American guns and are happy with them and can kill game with them just the same or better than you can. It's nice to know that you do own some American guns, but of course YOUR'S are mostly "custom". LOL

And how in God's name is this FACT?? You say 67% supported it in the unit they tried to implement AR's in last year. Well, I hunt in that unit and know quite a few others who do also. I personally asked everyone of them whether or not any of them had been polled on AR's. Not ONE of them had anyone ever ask them anything about AR's so who exactly are the 67%? Are they 67% of some mysterious "sportsman's" club who fed this info to anyone who wanted to listen?? Well, I wrote my letter to the DEC telling them that no one had polled me or any of the people I know and spelled out our opinions on AR's and why they shouldn't be implemented. Not that my letter had anything to do with the DEC shooting down AR's in these units, but at least if there were other similar opinions expressed also it got the DEC to see the reality of some of the nonsensical statistics that were being thrown around on how many people out there actually might be true supporters. The reality is that most hunters want to get a deer, any deer. If it happens to be a big buck, fine, if not, most are still very content to get anything. THESE are the hunters who make up the majority in the state and NOT the guys pushing for AR's.

LOL! I know I will sound sexist for saying it, but when I see some of the women hunters on these shows called "Pro Staff" it really makes me laugh. Even that Tiffany Lakosky who many hunters seem to drool over seems like a complete joke to me. I love it when she is walking up to one of her dead deer. She is tripping and stumbling like she doesn't even know how to walk in a pair of hunting boots or even ever walked thru the woods. I actually prefer bird hunting shows over any big-game hunting shows. Whitetail hunting shows are by far the worst. Nothing but horn pornography in my opinion with a southern accent in the majority of cases. Big boobs and curvy butts are substituted for by big horns with the viewer at home fast-forwarding his remote control to the juicy parts. Anyone ever watch that show "Hunting with Hank" where the guy bird hunts with his dog? His show too me represents what hunting is and should be way more than any other big-game show I ever saw. He's just a guy enjoying a great day afield in some nice looking country. Very simple, but shows the essence of hunting a heck of a lot better.

Dinsdale, you are obviously a big fan. You practically posted and infomercial for them here. I don't think we doubt that they will kill game, but when I could practically buy two perfectly fine American made rifles along with scopes for the price of an extra Blaser barrel, I don't know how much of an advantage it would be to own a Blaser. Since you posted a video of African hunting, I would still bet that more game is taken over there with the more traditional Mauser, Winchester, Remington type actions than there is with Blaser guns.

The only reason AR's were implemented in the 4 WMU's is because you had some vocal "sportsman's" groups pushing for it. The same was tried in the Delaware county, the county I hunt in last year. Again we had some unknown "sportsman's" groups in the county pushing for it but luckily the DEC smartened up and figured that "sportsman's" group don't necessarily represent ALL hunters in the area and shot it down. So what is happening here is that we are getting some unknown sportsman's group coming out of left field and trying to push everyone else around. That is BS and I am glad that the DEC finally woke up and realized what was happening here. If there could be a poll done of EVERY hunter that hunts these regions, I will guarantee anyone that AR's would lose out. The DEC saying that there is NO biological need for AR's says it all in my opinion, and shoots any of these theories that AR's are good for a deer herd right out of the water. PA's recent report pretty much says the same thing also. AR's are for trophy hunters who want to try to make it easier for themselves and that is pretty much it. Since there is no biological need for them according the the game departments, what else can they be?? I dare anyone to give me a good answer. I will say this to the proponents of AR's and those who hunt in the regions where AR's are in effect. Enjoy them while you can, because it won't be long before they are history!

Is this the one with interchangeable barrels? I think there is a newer version out right now also. They are european guns, so they are without a doubt expensive compared to American made production guns. I don't know how low he will sell it to you for, but that would surely be the determining factor whether I would ever buy it or not. I'm sure it would be a good gun, but accuracy wise probably no better than most American guns that could be bought for a lot less. I guess it all depends on what one likes.

Funny, but I was thinking the same about pushing in a metal rod into the barrel when I was reading this thread. I know a lot of shooters are hung up on being careful not to damage the crowns and rifling with cleaning rods and such, yet have no problem sticking and jimmying in a boresighting rod to get their guns to shoot straight without wasting too much ammo. Kind of doesn't make sense. I inherited a rifle from my late uncle that looks like he put a file to the crown. It was a bolt action yet he cleaned it with a cheap rod from the front end. Man, he did a number on that crown, but the gun still shoots darn good, so I don't know how much one needs to worry about putting a nick into it. It's not like bullets sizzling out of the barrel are any less kind to it either.

Right, I said everyone, clearly you don't READ. I said everyone I'VE TALKED TO IN PERSON WITH FIRST HAND EXPERIANCE. And clearly by there just being a few posters on there all you haters are not talking from first hand experiance otherwise they would be on there complaining about it. My first hand experience is that at least two hunters I know have quit hunting their own land in one of these units because they can't get doe permits AND don't want to be restricted to a buck of six points. They have little incentive to hunt there, and why would they not? They now hunt on a relatives land in a county without AR's. I hunted with them on their land years before AR's were ever even dreamed of. Back then bucks of all sizes were taken way more regularly, along with just about everyone getting a doe tag. Today they apply for doe tags and get JACK and can't shoot a buck unless it's a six point. Go ahead and try telling them that the hunting is better now than it was then. Plenty of their friends in the area are in agreement with them also. Unfortunately most of them aren't so lucky in finding another location to hunt.

Did you ever consider that you might now have a bit more hunting experience under your belt than you did when you hunted the same areas before AR's and that might be a reason you are seeing more and better deer? I know hunters who have hunted for years and still can't spot deer if their lives depended on it. Experience makes most hunters more observant and an experienced hunter will spot any deer a heck of a lot quicker than a novice would. Lots of factors can come into play with seeing deer, least of which is AR's.

Yeah, like six posters on the thread are for it and this proves that EVERYONE in those units is gung-ho for AR's? Come on now!

This is what you don't seem to understand. Without AR's you could still shoot what YOU want and everyone else can shoot what they want. With AR's YOU are getting the advantage you want, while others can no longer shoot what they want and are put at a disadvantage You surely would, even without AR's. You just want to try to make it easier for yourself with AR's. No more selfish than what you want. Everything we do in life has some sort of selfish reason behind it. The thing is that without AR's, EVERYONE can go about their selfish ways whichever way they want. WITH AR's you get YOUR selfish ways, while you are taking away the selfish ways of others.

And that 6 pt in my area has a nearly 60% chance of being a 1.5 buck - same as the spike. The guy who shot the 6 pt 1.5 year old buck will surely have the bragging rights, though!

You say you aren't putting anyone down for shooting anything legal, but at the same time want you want the legal buck to be a six point and not a spike. Why should there be anymore importance on what you want in comparison to the guys who are perfectly happy with that spike? It IS all about antlers to you guys, and please don't try to tell us that it isn't. AR's are nothing but an attempt by hunters obsessed with antlers to make it easier for themselves and to have some bragging rights that their buck is a tiny bit bigger than the other guys. All nonsense if you ask me. It's like you telling me that your weener is bigger than mine. In the scheme of things it's all so irrelevant.