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LOL, either that or they just usually dont fly in the dark. ;D Maybe they are waiting for the show

All the more reason not to get all riled up about things...Unless you know for sure what really happened, there is no sense letting it bother you... remember the old saying about assuming? ;D I say.. just shut up and hunt!

Wow..that's gonna be a tall order for some guys The name calling is really the childish part.. but I like a good spirited debate.

I knew a guy once that was so afraid that someone might try hunting on his leased land .. that he spent all his time patroling the property... and wondered why he never killed a deer. The funny part is he never did catch anyone trespassing.. cuz it was all in his head

that would be 100,000 birds and 2,000,000 fish

Bubba whatcha ridin'? Here is my '93 Electraglide Sport. The other pretty thing is my wife

It is good to see a kid so enthusiastic about hunting.. just rememeber kid, don't get all riled up about the bad hunters just yet... you'll burn yourself out before your my age. This incident is just one of many you'll encounter over the years... focus on you and your hunting and don't let the bad hunters get you down.

My biggest concern with QDM is the push on food plots.. if you look at any qdm site the majority of the site revolves around food plots... many of the hybrid nature... it's become a huge marketed industry... and I personally think it detracts from the overall message of deer management...seems just a bit too unnatural for me

Here again.. good question.

For me it is more about the challenge.. I personally don't see the challenge in smaller bucks.. In 15 years I have passed on just over 100 small bucks.. my best year being 18... in fact i passed on 4 in one day during the 2010 muzzleloader season. I cannot say the same for bigger bucks... they are much harder work and for me a greater satisfaction when I kill one. It's not about trophy hunting for me because i don't hang them all on the wall (although most hunters would)... I get a real kick out of tracking or stalking a big buck and finally catching up to him and killing him. I walk up on small bucks by accident all the time while on the track of a bigger bucks. I admit the young ones are still neat to see, but too easy to kill in my opinion.

Now there is a legitimate question!!!

20 yards and in for me...

I'd take the hunt if they would allow me to donate all the meat to charity. then I'd use the antlers to make kinves and buttons..

His ears must have been ringing!!!

Ain't that the truth???

I wish it was that simple.. that truth is.. especially after hearing all the comments on the numerous threads in this forum... is that better education, or not, there are hunters that simply want to kill yearlings no matter what..and are going to fight as hard against AR as others fight for AR. And as we have already found out.. the DEC only needs 20% of the hunters to be strongly against something for it to be dismissed.

hunters have to stop thinking of AR as just a means to get big bucks to kill.. if you think about it as bettering the age structure it makes more sense..

There is no such thing as a 0 chance of a legal harvest unless maybe you stay home on the couch instead of going hunting... plus when there are many mature bucks instead of just 1 or 2 your harvest chances have just increased. You are correct that it is harder to kill a more mature buck and even harder if you wait around in the same treestand each day until one passes by... there are many ways to hunt big bucks, you just have to find the one that works.

Just to try and reply or answer some questions.... actually in the adirondacks tracking is a growing way to take whitetail bucks.. i know numerous guys that have taken it up and have become very successful in the big woods. Also, most of the shots you get are not jump shots if you know what you're doing. More often than not in the adirondacks its a shot at a bedded deer or one feeding.. somtimes even standing looking back at you wondering what you are. More often than not if he gets up and runs its long before you've seen him. As for tracking in more suburban areas, not as vast as the adk's... you have to track differently.. the game is usually on immediately so you move slower much sooner... the idea is not to spook the buck so that you have to jump shoot.. thats a shot most trackers pass on... the idea is to see the buck while unnoticed... if you push him to posted property .. oh well ... thats part of the game...in the adirondacks it's possible to track a buck all day at a regular walk and never catch up to him. Downwind is very important.. and most of the time a buck in the adirondacks travels into the wind which makes it a little easier... there are times when you have to leave the track and try to circle downwind and try to pick the track up again... its just part of the game (which believe me, you lose more than win) in the more suburban areas deer are use to smelling humans and don't get as alarmed until you get too close, and even thn they usually don't run all to far before calming down...so you can sometimes get away with tracking into the wind for a bit... If a big buck smells you in the adk's, he won't wait around at all.. he know's you don't belong and will put as much distance between you and him as possible. If any buck is hot on a doe while you are tracking him.. you can get away with a lot.. because he couldn't care less about anything but that doe.

Doc.. All those type of hunts you mentioned actually require a lot of leg work on the part of the hunter. If you've ever been on a guided sheep hunt you'd know what I mean... Hours and hours of walking in some of the worst terrain you can imagine..(usually on remote mountain tops) in some of the worst climate you can imagine... for most of those african and other hunts the guide is just a person putting you in an area where they think there might be game. Usually you still are required to do the stalking to get close enough for a shot. Some of wht you see on television is done to accomodate the camera crew as well, but the true guided hunts for big game in Africa and game like sheep, elk and moose are far more grueling than you can imagine. I would liken it more to bringing along a friend that knows the area a bit better than you.

Likewise

What a buck.. send me the story!

Another reason we get a bad name as deer hunters is because there are some that will defend the senseless stupidity on this video

no... 99.9 % of what bothers me is how disrepectful of the animal the fat ass with the gun is.. dragging the deer around by the leg... the more you keep defending this video Blur the less I see you as a responsible hunter... there is no defense for these two.. i could describe it to someone without them even seeing the video and they would say the same thing.

I know lots of guys that would hunt there... I also know it is just about them getting to shoot their guns at something.. and why not a big buck? It is kinda sickening.. but more sickening that people raise htese whitetails for just such hunts... it brings in big $$ bucks$$ for the farm that offers the hunts. We have an elk farm here in central NY where guys pay thousands to kill monarch 7x7 elk. hate to say it , but most of the hunters come from NJ... not knocking NJ... it's just the truth. I will say.. it is neat to drive by the place and see huge elk by the dozens... just don't see the attraction to pay to kill them. Maybe if you're desperate to fill a space in your trophy room and just aren't good enough to kill one in the wild... I still would love to hear the stories they tell guys that ask them how they got 'em... bet that would be a hoot.