nyantler

Fighting your brothers battles for him? So, tell me again your opinion of how crossbows are going to ruin your bow season... because I'm sure it justifies all the pissing and moaning you're doing.

Bring a camera and film the hunt... He'll get a kick out of it years form now... and so will you.

Probably not going to get something that doesn't exist... you see, when someone is trying to make a ridiculous point it serves no purpose to delve too deep into the subject... but rather just stop at the study ( or a few sentences in the study) that almost makes his point.. but not really.

AHHH .. so it is the noise?? LOL

Then why so upset? Did your girl leave you for a crossbow hunter?

I still would like to know how a crossbow hunter interferes with other bow hunters during bow season... is it the noise that will be bothersome? I know, when you are about to draw on a deer you will suddenly get an agree feeling because you will be thinking how you have to draw your bow and the crossbow hunter won't... I would think it would be an advantage to be able to blame a bad day of seeing deer on the evil crossbow hunter that could possibly be killing all the deer in the area. Maybe somebody else has a better explanation... I'm pretty sure I'll be sneaking around the woods with my recurve and wooden arrows giving no thought at all to crossbow hunters.

I have an open sights single shot H&R 30-.06... it is a tack driver as well and easy to carry while tracking. I like the simplicity too. Occasionally I will carry my Winchester 30-30 just cuz its a cool gun, and I do occasionally hunt a day or two during the regular season with my Hawken. Late season though it is strictly patch and roundball and the Hawken. I bought a new #47 longbow for next season ( my #60 Martin recurve will be too much in a few years)... I need to finish it though.. I bought it unfinished... my buddy and I are both building laminated longbows this summer.

Just curious how many of you have never shot a traditional or even what some of us might call "old school" weapon?... longbow, recurve, flintlock, side hammer muzzleloader. I even wonder if there are some that have never shot an unscoped rifle or shotgun. I'm sure most of the old timers here probably have at least experienced the shotgun with a poly-choke and a bead, but I bet there are some young fellas that have never experienced an old school hunt with a traditional weapon... and unless your crossbow is made of wood with a hemp string it is not considered traditional. For those that use to shoot trad equipment... why did you switch to modern weaponry? Please, this is not a trad vs. modern thread. Just curious about the thought process of other hunters and why they choose one over the other.

Like I said... delusional ... anything I thought you knew about hunting, conservation or whitetails just got shot down by your last dozen or so posts... actually it is possibly the most nonsensical rant I have ever heard by a so called hunter... your "business" has nothing to do with hunting, conservation, or the future thereof... in fact it has no place on a hunting forum at all. For the record what you know about CWD is another delusional version that you somehow concocted from listening or reading something written by someone that obviously knows nothing about it either. There is no intelligent argument here no matter how much you have tried to make one... beyond this anyone that wastes their time responding to such nonsense has either lost their mind or lives in the same fantasy land as you.

Exactly.. much like the Heroin and Meth industry... lots of money and two growing industries that don't make for honorable livelihoods... It's not even the hunting behind a fence that I have a problem with as much as the Frankenstein like genetic mutants that are artificially created by some of these farmers for the sake of profit. But even worse are those that patronize these "evil laboratories" creating a market for such a perverted use of an animal. First, to claim that this business has any claim as helpful to conservation and the future of hunting is ridiculous... then proclaiming how deer farms can somehow be the savior of a threatened whitetail population is just delusional. One can say that as many times as one likes and still be the only one that believes it.

Yes without snow I don't think I'd have seen that deer before he saw or heard me... I would have been very upset if the same situation happened and I lost a wounded deer.. I'm sure it would have been nearly impossible to have caught up to that buck again if not for the snow... Thank God things worked out like they did.

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Thanks.. it might have been the most exciting and demanding hunt I've ever had... just lucky to physically be able to still pull off a hunt like that.

Not necessarily... hormones are the trigger for the rut so weather doesn't affect it too much... when not hunting on snow you really have to know the area that you're hunting so you can put yourself where the deer are. It can take years to learn an area of the ADK's... lower deer density makes it harder to just happen on the deer in the area... some good spots though would be draws between two hills or mountains... usually these areas have water and cover for deer... although bucks tend to bed on hill or mountain sides depending on the wind and weather conditions, they like to travel in these draws where it is harder to see them moving. ADK bucks don't do a lot of traveling during the day, probably far less than a suburban buck. Without snow your chances of seeing one bedded before he sees you can be very slim... like someone said here sometimes a man hunt towards one another works well... not trying to drive deer just both hunting separately hoping maybe to push something in the other guys direction. One guy hunt high the other hunt low, but slowly hunting toward one another starting anywhere from 1/4 mile to a mile from each other.

Yeah that's a cool idea... just can't see myself giving up a day with my trad stuff to hunt with one during an archery season... selfishly I hope for a separate small season (even a weekend) just so I can hunt with one... I might consider it during the late archery season for a couple days. They're cool as hell to shoot.

I think one of the biggest mistakes hunters make when hunting in the ADK's is how they enter the woods. Especially when you have a couple other guys with you. Sound and smell travel a long way in the big woods... many times the deer know you are there before you start hunting... one person can make enough noise and leave enough scent by himself that will send deer packing... add a few more guys and forget it.. you don't stand a chance of seeing a deer. It is absolutely necessary to be quiet and use the wind... right down to where you park your vehicle and how noisy you sre getting out of it. You have to remember how little human contact ADK deer have... they are not like the suburban deer that smell and see humans all time. You will very seldom get a second chance if an adk deer knows you are in the woods. That means that it is probably a good idea to hunt elsewhere when the leaves are dry... snow or wet conditions are best... and scent control and playing the wind are an absolute necessity. Using a call can be helpful while still hunting, especially early season when bucks are getting all fired up for the rut... remember that big bucks will always try to get downwind before coming to the call... so if your facing into the wind don't be looking directly in front of you because the buck probably won't come straight in... keep your attention to your right and left to catch him circling in to the wind.

Set up or walk the stream leading to the pond

One thing very different about ADK deer is that they are not as easy to pattern... their range is usually very vast. They seldom rely on the same watering spot, food source or even bedding area... etc. I have found that bucks will stay high early season and come down off the hills and mountains when the rut starts to kick in... I like to hunt streams, creeks and river edges or even beaver flows when I can. I have always had better deer sign there... especially if the waterway passes through a swampy, marshy area or through a dark hemlock bog. Caught many a buck laying on a high spot in those dark wet hemlock woods. Put the time into an area to learn as much about it as you can. Take note of where you are seeing the most activity and what is different about that area than the rest of the woods. That difference could be the key to finding deer in similar areas.

I never go in the woods without mine... I have killed many a buck with my True Talker... The only call I use... I have one of the originals before Hunters Specialties bought the right from my friend... he made it special for me.

The ADK's, especially the big woods, is a whole different animal... the deer are not use to human contact so they will not tolerate anything foreign to them... bucks and does can hear, smell and see you long before you see them if you aren't very conscious of what you're doing. Slow is usually your best friend in the big woods... making as little noise as possible. Playing the wind is imperative... when a deer pegs you in the big woods, he doesn't just escape to a nearby thicket... he will put as much distance between you and him as possible could be two mountains away before he stops. Hunting on snow is always your best bet... traveling until you find a track and then following it... snow is quieter and also lets you know that there is at least a deer where you are hunting... it takes a long time to get the knack of hunting the big woods of the ADK's.. but it is very rewarding to take a buck there. Good Luck

Cool stuff Pygmy... I have lost a couple really close fishing and hunting buddies which changed some of my annual fishing and hunting trips... Somehow things are not the same when I fish or hunt the places we use to frequent... but I always think about them whenever I'm there. Be nice if some things just never changed.

QDM, TDM, Big bucks.. the bottom line is none of it means anything if you're not having fun... One thing I will say about the QDM approach.. most that are doing it (regardless of what my opinion is) are having a great time doing it and it has made their hunting experience exciting... that is really what it's all about...

I came home to find that every item in my house had been stolen...and replaced with exact duplicates.

I had an Oneida Lightforce magnum when I shot a compound... noisy son of a gun... fast... but sounded like a cannon going off...

Them there is fightin' words Barlow! LOL