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And, I'm talking I could have jumped on his back and rode him like a bull in a rodeo. Deer are like dogs and humans to a degree in that every deer has a different disposition. Some bucks, even mature ones, will disregard human odor, and a lot of factors go into it. You have started commenting this season on hunting more around bedding areas based on your posts. You should look up Infalt's site and read about wind - his sight has a lot of members that know how to use the wind. Most of the deer downwind of me never pick up my scent because something is in play that I either know about or later realize and most often its some sort of obstacle that deflects the wind or the thermals come into play. I used to think I was a superhero too when I had deer downwind of me, and then I came back to earth once I realized how wind and scent dispersal really works. This buck walked right through my scent cone, looked at me, and hung around, and walked right on by. He did the same thing to another guy in our party a week later on the other side of the property. I was literally dancing in the stand taking the video and the sound on the video would make you cringe. His disposition is simply that he tolerates more than other mature bucks. It's going to get him killed, hopefully this weekend, but still. I'm not saying I don't practice scent control measures, and I'm not saying what you do is wrong, but what I am saying is that no buck that has your stink hit his nose is going to be fooled to any degree. Either they tolerate it or they don't.

I could have reached out of the stand and stabbed him or swung a bag of pennies on his head if I had a tag. If you look at the screenshot, it is a still of a video of about 5 minutes of him. Here's another buck that swung around me that morning and ended up downwind He was about 7 yds at this point.

Mature Buck - dead down wind - eye level at 20 yards (hunting hill). November 2 about 9ish a.m. He not only did this to me, but another in our hunting party a week later.

Further, why do some companies show them for some loads and not others? Drives me nuts when trying to sight in a firearm - most often a slug gun. Case in point Remington - I can't find any info on their Accutips yet the Copper Solids have more info on the box as to zero/drop, fps, energy, etc. Obviously the answer is to try to shoot it at the those ranges, but the problem is the cost savings of having that info is huge when you start shooting at those ranges.

I love it when people talk about deer being downwind of them like their scent regiment has helped fool a whitetail's nose. Some deer will come downwind of you regardless of your stink and a lot of that has to do with location, familiarity, and disposition. But by far, the majority of deer downwind of hunters are not because of personal scent regiments (although I practice it to a "middle of the road" degree). It's simply because their nose is not catching the stink. Just because a deer is downwind means nothing as to whether one's scent stream is flowing that way. Scent isn't a line - it can be like a cone at times, but most times, it's like a flowing river winding around trees and over brush and the thermal impact can do things most hunters never realize. There's a reason bucks use the thermal tunnel to travel in hill country and enter fields via low spots in the evening in ag country. I think scent regiment comes into play more with ground scent left behind and getting rid of skin cells that would otherwise slough off during the act of walking to and from stand. It also helps with confidence - whatever your belief, do what instills the confidence.

gr...blood everywhere. feel better?

Put a fan on them and get the air moving.

Offshore fishing is not cheap, that's for sure. Get a tree stand, either a climber or a hangon and sticks. Having that will aid in times when you need to get off the ground. Sounds like you had good fun on the first hunt and did mighty well getting into position to shoot a deer.

Show the owner that pic. If that doesn't scare her...something is wrong. Nothing like someone you don't know on your ground holding out a machete and pointing it at the cam.

The cold hard truth of small parcel hunting. All night pics do is show you what is in the area. While that may seem positive, the reality is that your 5 acres is nothing more than a nighttime travel corridor between beds, beds and food, food and the next food on the circuit, or doe beds. If you don't have daytime pics of those bucks by now, there's not much to be positive about. If bucks were willing to travel through there in daylight, you'd know by now even with a doe leading them around.

You can tell a ton about the buck by its rub sometimes. Shredding - where it looks like the tree has been hit with a cheese grater, indicates a buck with pearling at the bases growing outward on the rack. Most younger bucks do not have pearling at the bases. You want to look for tine height and also look for tine marks on trees around that rub - ie a tree is rubbed but there's tine marks on the tree a foot behind it or to the right. You do get into some generalities. Big bucks can make small rubs or big rubs. Small bucks don't make BIG ones, but can make some that may fool you. One of the more less known traits of mature bucks that I have seen over time is that they will make brush rubs - redbud and other similar brush rubs where the brush looks like someone swung a shovel around. Smaller younger bucks generally don't do this. It's not an absolute, but I think brush rubs of that sort are often a result of frustration rubbing whereas younger bucks don't do that.

You can in my part of NY. You can use a shotgun to kill squirrels and deer. The same precedent (I'm using that term loosely) with the bow and FP applies... It is unlawful to hunt big game with: A firearm or bow aided by any artificial light or a laser that projects a beam toward the target. An autoloading firearm with a capacity of more than 6 shells (one which requires that the trigger be pulled separately for each shot), except an autoloading pistol with a barrel length of less than 8 inches. A firearm using rimfire ammunition. A shotgun of less than 20 gauge or any shotgun loaded with shells other than those carrying a single projectile. A bow with a draw weight of 35 lbs or less. Arrows with barbed broadheads; arrowheads less than 7/8 inches at the widest point or with less than 2 sharp cutting edges. Dogs. Aircraft of any kind. Bait. That's the catch - when I unload the shotgun full of truballs and throw in a No 6 load I stop hunting deer and start hunting small game. Vice versa when the truballs go in. Now, the actual act of loading/aiming/shooting of deer with the field load is illegal, but again, the carrying of a field load in your pocket while deer hunting is not illegal here. The distinction for Buckshot is made, I believe, but not field loads.

Can't you get all downstate style and sell them out of your car trunk? Market them as actual heads that work and that'll fool the NYC visitors looking for actual BH that cut and kill.

No, I cannot. I see no logic in it. Changing the projectile type using the same means to project changes everything. If I cam deer hunting with my bow in a treestand, load an FP and decide to shoot the squirrel, I am squirrel hunting at that very moment. If I then shoot the squirrel and load a BH and sit down to wait for a deer, I am then deer hunting again. Hunting is opportunity based. Opportunity changes what's being hunted.

See that's the thing, there is no precedent. You are talking about guns. We're talking about archery, and there's no law on it here in NY that states you can't have a FP in your quiver or on your person when deer hunting. You can't kill one with a FP legally, but that's not the point - you can at any time carry one. You can shoot squirrels with a .22 during deer season here. You can shoot squirrels with a slug gun (shotgun) during deer season here with the appropriate load. Otherwise, they'd shut down squirrel season. It might be one in Pennsltucky, but not here.

Sound logic. You must never put gas in your car; you might drive, your mind drifts for a second, and accidentally get nervous and hit someone. Seems legit.

Anyone can make that mistake, so it's unethical? Unethical means making a conscious decision to do something against one's moral compass. Grabbing the wrong arrow is a mistake - exactly that. Nothing more. Going afield with a FP in the quiver while hunting deer is not an unethical act or decision (assuming the law says its allowable in some degree).

Prove to me a cop can tell when someone starts hunting squirrels and stops hunting deer. I can say I stopped hunting deer when I loaded a FP on my bow in the treestand, and you can't say or prove otherwise. Squirrel season is open, a FP is legal for squirrel. Now, if I drew or shot a deer with one, sure that's illegal, but again, the kid is a freaking kid and made a mistake. In the grand scheme of things, people spending time worrying about that scenario need to find more productive things with their time. A kid getting nervous with a deer in front of them is a good thing...so he grabbed the wrong arrow. Big deal. I'm sure he'll have learned a valuable lesson by the experience. Don't try to say that you are attempting to find legality...you lobbed out the ethics word. The kid wasn't being unethical. That's pretty high and mighty to take that view imo.

Talk about minutia. If someone wants one in their quiver for small game or to stump shoot/practice shot, I see nothing wrong with it. I am fairly confident it's legal to do in NY. You can't hunt deer with one, but you get into minutia when you swap out a BH for FP when the squirrel stops for a shot from your treestand. At what point are you squirrel hunting? You can kill small game with a FP. No real point in even conversing about it any more...the kid made a mistake. I don't think it was unethical. If it was illegal, so be it. I don't think anyone other than you thinks a mistake like that is beneath them.

The two best camo patterns on the market imo. I think Fall Gray is prime once the leaves fall. Brown deception is more of a season-long pattern or one for early to mid bow, but it doesn't beat FG once those leaves start to drop. A FG fleece suit is a smart move. People who use ASAT love it.

I know I'm personally into double digit kills with the GR, somewhere around 12-14. All but two have dropped in sight and the those two I heard crash. I would think over the top wouldn't be super effective, but GRs are. The razor tips have the chisel point with small bleeders that open the hide to allow the main cutting blades to swing open, and I think this is critical to making the head work better than other traditional over the top designs. I have killed a few (6- with Rage and they were blood baths, but were the prototypical broadside zipped through nice and low. I've also had some lesser quality shots where I felt penetration was less that what I expected on a few of those kills. I haven't had that on the GR, even with the lesser quality shots, and had great blood trails even though I really haven't had to track much. I used to think their slogan was stupid and I was very sleptic about shooting them. After having enough deer down to formulate an opinion of them, I understand why they have that slogan. In the end, all you can do is try out your gear and have confidence in it.

Most modern bows will do the job. Its just that I havent found one that will do it smoother and more hunter friendly than Elite. I normally shoot 60 lb bows for my hunting rigs. Moogs bow is 80 lbs. I found it much easier to shoot than I expected amd hit where I was aiming on the first shot with it. that speaks volumes imo. Service...my bow was under water for a full dah when the house flooded this summer. dropped it off and they gave it a makeover with new ss hardware new bearings and more. tuned it...then handed it back to me with no charge...saying I can use my money better on the house. Not many companies see the big picture.Elite does.

I dream of moving to the Midwest for deer. Fat chance with family obligations and roots growing, but a man can still dream.

Grim Reapers are the only mech head I will shoot. I've had results that go against anything I would expect - in a good way. I don't shoot a fast/high momentum/KE bow and I shoot about an average weight arrow. The results have been nothing short of impressive for me. Outside of GR, Slick Tricks for blinds and when I feel like switching things up. I should clarify that I have in the past shot Rage and had lesser results in that time.

Tire Rack's shipping can be slightly expensive but I've used them a lot. No tax as they ship from out of state.