G-Man

what about a vertical crossbow set back distance?

you will save a whopping 2 bucks without the supersportsman and buying all your licences.. and crossbow and bow will run concurrantly for laast two weeks.

the big problem is the rut only lasts a couple of weeks and a seperate season would be when september? bow starts oct 1 and has the whole month to itself, the last 2 weeks are now shared with x-bow.. would you rather of had bow start oct 15th as always and x-bow first 1-14th with the youth gun hunt in their season? I think what was done is a very good compromise. And face it if your a dedicated hunter you will be out in the woods as much as you can.. I've always laughed when all the camps around me open up a few weeks before season, atv driving around, hanging /fixing stands/ smoke in the air from woodburners the slamming of truck caps and doors... that makes a bigger impact on deermovement than the hunters in the woods who close doors slowly, try to be scent free and quite in the woods. Maybe there should be a law saying all stands/blinds must be in place before sept 1st... crossbows are easier because the draw is eliminated but so is any 2nd shot.. off a rest..how many times do deer come in exacty where you expect them to be? so now besides just turning a x-bower using shooting sticks must move those as well as turning to shoot... this is not the end of the world... many may take couse and try it i'm sure many others will give it up as it still takes skill and knowlege to know when to move/stand and where to set up.

a crossbow does not have the range of any gun..so gun season is out... if it was in a seperate season before bow, bow hunters would whine, closing bow for a season in middle same complaint, so inclusion in bow is most logical answer...period ..and its what they did.

Ha , I have a friend who saw big bucks all the time. So one year my one hunting partner and I see a big half rack 10 pt (if other side matched) maybe 120-130 in if both sides matched.during bow.. opening day of gun my friend calls on radio saying he got a monster 1/2 rack..so we thought he shot the 1/2 rack we passed in bow.. we arrive with tractor to find a 1/2 rack 1.5 Year old 8 pt..... so everyone has a different idea about a good buck looks like and now i know his......lol

I can't see him doing any better with a crossbow then.... personally I will continue deer hunting with my bow, but am considering a crossbow for turkey hunting... but no time this year for regs to fall into place for this spring hunt and iI figure a lot of crossbows will be for sale after new users realise getting to within 30yards of a deer takes a little skill. And give it up...

I shoot 47lbs on my bow...kills clean every.time. if your friend is sky drawing a bow he is shooting way to much weight... I can draw my bow with my pins on the deer with minimal movement. Not really an advantage if you know how to properly draw a bow...... and I can draw very early and hold for very long time... the amount of movement it takes to raise and aim a x bow is about the same. The exception is the x bow being front heavy will be harder to hold freehand or move and follow game.

I can pick up my bow with its set pins and peep 1x a year and shoot 4in groups . At 40 yards every year after having not touched it in 9 months or more (once season starts i never seem to practice with it so prolly closer to 10 months in all honesty. No real advantage over a compound there... traditional archery yes absolutely..

Aimed like I rifle is the only big advantage I see.. my bow has 80% let off anI use a mechanical release with a trigger . For those that shoot traditionally that advantage I have is the same as a crossbow is to me.... still takes woodsmanship to get into range..something that's lacking in a lot of hunters today.

Heres a link to bowhunting magazines myth article. Http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/2012/07/19/crossbow-myths-misconceptions/

I remember a cop actually told a lady to take her gun home and contact an auction house ..it was a stormgewver (1944) german assult rifle..instead of getting. 100 Bucks for it she got tens of thousands of dollars...

! 10 Myths vs 10 Facts onewsstandrary Crossbows Posted by Gunworldmag Seven-year-old Casey (shown with his mom) proves that, with proper training, crossbows can be safe and enjoyable, even for youngsters. By Ron Roberts Crossbows are hot. There is a growing army of crossbow enthusiasts, and they are passionate about these weapons and everything about them. But, like other distinctive pursuits, myths abound, often to the detriment of crossbow shooters and to the avocation itself. Misinformation is out there, and it’s fueling the fire of those who don’t really know. Fortunately, however, truth is on our side. So, what are 10 of the wildest crossbow myths and 10 of the most important crossbow facts? Read on. Myth 1 A crossbow isn’t really a bow. Fact 1 When comparing a crossbow to a compound bowshot with a release, the only differences between them are: *The crossbow trigger mechanism holds the draw for shooters. *The crossbow’s bow assembly is positioned horizontally. *The crossbow is aimed like a rifle. Both weapons fire an arrow equipped with a broadhead designed to penetrate an animal, causing it to bleed to death. The arrow from both weapons travels approximately the same distance at about the same speed and energy with nearly the same trajectory. Myth 2 Crossbows make deer hunting too easy. Fact 2 The X-Force 800 Pro from Eastman removes all doubt that modern crossbows are legitimate hunting tools. The only advantage a crossbow has over a conventional bow is that it holds the bow in the drawn (ready-to-fire) position for shooters. Shooting a crossbow is generally easier to master than shooting a vertical bow, but it’s not “just plain easy.” Crossbow hunters must have the same woodsmanship ability and nearly all the same shooting skills vertical bowhunters have. Myth 3 Anyone can pick up a crossbow, practice for an hour, and be ready to head to the woods. Fact 3 There are many ways to make a bad shot with a crossbow. First, if a crossbow isn’t cocked straight, it won’t shoot straight. If the bowstring is pulled even 1/16 inch off-center, that difference can translate into a 6-inch error at 20 yards. Also, like any conventional bow shooter, a crossbow shooter must maintain a proper stance and squeeze, rather than “jerk” the trigger. The shooter must steady his or her entire body and follow through (watch the entire arrow flight through the sighting mechanism) after the release. And finally, crossbow hunters must be adept at at distances. Myth 4 A crossbow shoots much faster and farther than compound bows. Fact 4 Under controlled conditions, velocity and kinetic energy tests were performed on two compound bows with 70-pound peak draw weights (248 and 205 fps) and two crossbows with 150-pound peak draw weights (228 and 242 fps). Compound bows and crossbows produced similar ballistic results. That is, the crossbows didn’t shoot farther or faster than the compound bows. If anything, crossbows begin to lose velocity and energy a bit more quickly than do compound bows after 40 yards because they shoot a lighter and shorter arrow. However, the difference is slight. Myth 5 Crossbows have the knockdown power of a firearm. Fact 5 Crossbows are ballistically comparable to conventional vertical bows and they kill by hemorrhaging rather than shock. Myth 6 Crossbows shoot as flatly as black-powder rifles. Fact 6 Again, comparison tests show that crossbows don’t perform the same as firearms. Crossbows typically start losing velocity and energy at 30 yards compared to black-powder rifles, which begin losing velocity and energy at 100 yards. Myth 7 Crossbow hunters are less experienced than conventional bowhunters are, so they’ll injure more deer. Fact 7 There is no credible evidence to support this claim. Crossbow hunters must apply the same basic skills and techniques conventional bow hunters do. Nobody enters the woods for the first time as an expert. As a hunter gains experience in shot placement, judging distance and overall hunting skill, he becomes far less likely to injure a deer. Additionally, one of the largest groups of new crossbow hunters are experienced conventional bow hunters who can no longer hunt with a compound bow. They bring a vast amount of bow-hunting knowledge with them. Finally, plenty of conventional bow hunters injure deer. The best approach to the issue of ethical shooting might be for individual states to require proficiency testing of all hunters. Myth 8 Crossbow hunters are less ethical, less dedicated, and less proficient than conventional bowhunters. Fact 8 This myth generally assumes conventional bow hunters are skilled experts that share a common passion, fervor and ethics about hunting. However, this assumption is unsupportable. It’s safer to assume (and easier to support) that many conventional bow hunters would have greater success and more “ethical hunts” if they used crossbows. Myth 9 The crossbow is the preferred poaching weapon. Fact 9 On December 13, 1999, at the request of the American Crossbow Federation, Michael J. Budzik, director of the Ohio Division of Wildlife, wrote: “From a law-enforcement standpoint, violation statistics are just about equal between crossbows and vertical bows, and the total of both is an extremely small portion of the overall enforcement effort.” Ohio’s experience suggests that claims about crossbows being the preferred weapon of poachers is false. In fact, conventional wisdom suggests crossbows would not be efficient poaching weapons. Myth 10 Crossbows are dangerous. Fact 10 Referring to the previous material, we again cite Budzik: “ …Our statistics regarding hunter incidents [accidents] show very little difference between the two bow types. Since 1976, we have had only 21 archery-related hunting incidents: 10 caused by longbow and 11 by crossbow. Harvest data suggest that more people hunt with crossbows than with longbows in Ohio.” Some crossbow manufacturers have added safety features to their crossbows to reduce hunter and shooter injuries and to reduce opportunities for dry-fire situations.

i like the way everyone here seems to forget, there is still a safety course to take for these crossbows. its not a buy one and go weapon for a gun hunter.. archery permit is still needed... honestly if a hunter want to use a crossbow and sit thru a long,long course(glad i did mine 25 plus years ago when they were short and sweet). i have confidence in our instructors to make sure these new hunters are safe and impart some moral hunting guidelines to them. yes there will be buffoons out there with them but there are with bow and gun now.

Seems to be a lot of posts lately that look like this......

I have much better luck with hunting row planted corn than broadcast. But you gotta do what you gotta do.....

concrete is always a good backstop.....

Get out the night before and roost birds... if you hear them you should be able to get close enough in the am he'll at least hear em in the am and most likely have a chance at seeing them. If he gets tired by 8 in the am or when ever go back to your camp... go out again if he feels like it.. keeping him out in the weather even if in a blind playing PSP is not going to give him the right idea of hunting. Fun first, concentrate on the hunt..if cold tired go back to camp the PSP can be played there ... let him call the shots... he'll be a better hunter for it in the long run. I did 3 kids this way over last.five Years and they all got birds. And got hooked. The 1st girI i took out in youth season is now graduating college and deer and turkey hunts.

Nice... at least I won't have to worry about Obama and Cuomo...

you might want to contact a local massy dealer, they might be able to steer you to a club or do it for you. but expect cost to be high for full restoration. most farm equipment that is restored is done by the individul for colector purposes....

well i have a neighbors barn 350' off my property and the hedge row that is the line is a great place for a stand( the hedge row is mine) the neighbors lawn is mowed right up to it. so the deer travel the hedge on my side to cross the road, and get to the food plot 200 feet on my property. I've always got along with my neighbor but i got a big deer he had seen so now i must be an evil tresspasser cause i got "his deer".. i have all the food he doesnt so i couldnt hunt the hedge legally for a few years..the deer have never died on his property as i shoot back into my property and the plot is far enough for a well place arrow to drop a deer before i can get back to hedge. its a good law, although i agre with Doc that people will be dumb and situations will arise. but that being said they do now at 500' and with many anti or un informed people buying recreational property many that are just shooting their bows for practice in their garage are actually in violation 500' is a long way in suburbia. if lots are 60'wide its 8 houses either side of where you are shooting, 100'lots is 5 houses, 150 is still 3 houses either side and not to mention houses across the street, and behind... lot of people to get permission to shoot in your garage at a 10yard range. Not all of us can live far enough away from people to legally shoot. and even in the country with a 500' lot the house across the street is still closer than 500' as is probably the neighbors houses either side of your home. I am lucky enough to own both sides of the road and have over 2000' frontage..but for those with smaller camps this is great!

It all depends how old it is and if parts are available, should only take 3-4 hours to get back to working condition yourself. If you want a full restoration it will be a lot more

I have friends in Ohio that own both.. they take a bow for an all day sit,lighter and can hang it up, and take their crossbow for a short quick hunt. Most prefer their bow to crossbow, but admit turkey hunting with a crossbow is easier than with a bow. As is ground hunting from blinds, tree stand hunts are almost eexclusively bow, as crossbows are front heavy and hard to position comfortably in an elevated stand.

Its great for suburban sprall areas where 2-5 acre lots are common. And for the postage lot size camps that are being bought by anti hunters against state land for recreation , as well as the back yard shooter whose neighbor is 400 foot away.... it was intelligent decision for a change coming out of Albany...ny

If you didn't have his permission you are in violation, even if the new 150' rule is in effect. The 500' rule is (its a circle of about 2.5 Acres).you prolly Don't have permission from the house across the street either so that's another violation, as well as neighbors on either side of your house (perhaps as far as 2or. 3 houses away (lots are 60' in a lot of subdivisions) basically no it is not legal to shoot in your yard and i would guess 70-90% of bow hunters are in violation of this law.if they shoot in their yard....

Just as in all new implements there will be a big upswing in sales initially.. same as when rifles were allowed, but then common sense will kick in and you will see good crossbows for sale by those who don't know how to hunt but tried it found they couldn't sit still long enough for one to get in range and get frustrated their magic arrow gun didn't work thru the woods at 100 ya. ( a trajectory is not that of a rifle bullets) . .. the real question is what safety class if any will be needed for crossbow... and is it a separate licence....