Rob didn't mean to highjack your tread i guess i was just feeling sorry for myself. I too had an old timer who let me hunt behind his hse. shot about 20 deer there with the bow , always serviced his boiler + a/c .Learned after i got the first one to not tell him until i had it dragged to his hse. got the first one took my bow and pack back to the hse. and told him about it ,the guy went nuts with excitment and wanted to drag it out by himself @79 yrs young .