Dave

I usually give my DMP to one of the guys who haven't gotten a deer in a while.

That statement wasn't ment for everyone just the ones that make fun of those who question why they didn't get a permit when they always get one. I too am a land owner and reside in 4W where few permits are issued without preference points. And DMP are hard to get for the past few years and my buds have the same problem your friends are having. Last year and this summer I saw more does than I have seen in the last 10 years. And then they were issuing permits now we have the deer we have no permits go figure. And I don't have a chip on my shoulder, just responding to a response to magnumhunter.

Just checked on line Franks is at 430 E. Tremont Ave Bronx, ny They have the black and red jacket for for $190 bucks. Bought mine there about 15 yrs ago still great coat and pants. Don't know how that compares with other sporting goods stores.

Isn't that proposed for next year? Your wish will come true if it passes.

There is a sporting goods store in the Bronx that sells Woolrich I believe its called FRANK's check them out

I hear you Doc, but there has to be a better way of allocating DMP where they are needed. And reduce them where they need be.

Some guys have landowner permits and couldn't care less about the rest of us. They don't have to be concerned about being rejected.

I realize that a DMU is a large area of land. But I also realize that when you fill out your reporting tag you have to indicate the nearest town or village. So within the unit they will know how many deer were taken in every town or village in that DMU. This information should be helplful in allocating DMU the following year provided the hunters call in their results, which I feel should be mandatory whether you are successful or not.

Geno, i hope you realize the type of people you are dealing with on this site. That can try to justify something that is undefensible.

In this case there was no need to take a bad shot, the pig was in the clear and he only needed to wait for a better shot. Wasn't like the pig was going anywhere It seemed to me he was taking the shot at the rear end. There wasn't much of a shot at the lungs from what I could see atleast nothing I would shoot at. To shoot or not to shoot that was the situation. Patients

Simply no excuse to shoot any animal that way and then not finish him off, watching him suffering. I don't think that any argument can justify this type of hunting.

I agree the only shot he had was at the rear end of this pig and he took it . How can anyone not see that. And calling it as you see it isn't judging others, it's just what it is.

That was a great video but according to someone on this site it's not hunting it's just sitting and waiting. But what does he know. Good job keep them coming.

I was up state last weekend and saw a nice 6pt buck and his antlers were nice and clean. Checked my trail cameras and wonder where all the bucks have gone. Check cameras every 2-3 weeks and this time there were fewer deer and no bucks, whats up with that. Dave

Really? The money goes into the conservation fund, where it is used for Hunting related items, state land, etc. The problem with the conservation fund is if they didnt close that hole that would allow them to pull funds, but thats another topic. Buck, you are always so quick to respond and contradict others opinions. First you say the money goes to the conservation fund and used for hunting related items, then you say they pull the money out . That is what we are saying, where is the problem. The money we hunters pay doesn't always go where it's intended.Dave Do I really have to spell it out for you? I never said what you just said I did. What I was referring to is the loophole that they just created a month or so ago in the conservation fund. Currently, as far as anyone knows or has been announced or reported on, they have not used any of the Conservation fund money to go into the general fund. You said that the money doesnt go toward hunting related things, when in fact, it does. Get your facts straight and Ill stop correcting them. Like you always say prove it, show us where all the money spent on hunting licenses goes. List all the places the money goes and show the bottom line. Prove none of it is spent on things other than hunting related activities. I am sure you have the facts!! Dave

Really? The money goes into the conservation fund, where it is used for Hunting related items, state land, etc. The problem with the conservation fund is if they didnt close that hole that would allow them to pull funds, but thats another topic. Buck, you are always so quick to respond and contradict others opinions. First you say the money goes to the conservation fund and used for hunting related items, then you say they pull the money out . That is what we are saying, where is the problem. The money we hunters pay doesn't always go where it's intended.Dave

Guy's I have no problem with limiting or even doing away with DMP in areas that have low deer counts. Till the herd rebounds. It's just the fact that the DEC will take away either sex tags from bow hunters and then Issue more DMP . Plus the fact that it will cost you $10 for a privaledge that was free. This means the chances of a bow hunter getting a permit is low, put they could manage to get a permit but not in an area of low deer count. Dave

Some people on this site get up set about the fuss over a measly $10 fee . But they miss the point the money isn't used to promote hunting or other hunting related activities. There is the problem. Dave

Well if you are in DMU 4W there are only 1000 DMP being issued down from 1900 last year. There are certain categories in the selection process HIGH-MEDIUM AND LOW AND IN 4W YOU NEED PREFERENCE POINTS to be considered which as the least probability of being selected. Here is where the DEC gets you, if you don't have a preference points and want to apply you will not get a permit. So you have to pay this year for a preference point you may be able to use next year. So this year you are paying for nothing. Is that a fair way of allocating DMP? Some on this site are fortunate to get 4 or 5 DMP so they have no dog in this fight, it's the guy who is trying to get just ONE. Correct me if I am interpurting this wrong , it is my opinion only. If you don't apply and get turned down you don't get a preference point? Dave

Only practice up to 30 yards, where I hunt not much visability beyond that distance. Dave

Don't shoot to 50 yards, stay within 40.Dave

Ok, I guess I missed all that. I have to admit that with the entire thread being dragged along with each reply, my eyes started giving out a long ways back. Now, as far as what you are asking Dave or whoever to do, is most likely not a reasonable request. You are asking him to do a research project to come up with data that most likely has never been accumulated. In fact it is unlikely that the DEC is even capable of making that kind of assessment. If we are going to ask that every opinion stated here on this forum be backed up with statistics and documentation which most of us laymen have no access to, then things could get mighty quiet here ..... lol. I think I can deal with a certain level of logic and maybe even a certain amount of intuition. And perhaps even a good old fashion gut-feel might not be totally unacceptable . Doc, once again out of turmoil there is the voice of reason. It was the point that I was trying to make but didn't put in quite those words. Some people try to push unreasonable requests and then wine that you haven't answered the question. Dave

Man, you just dont stop trying to deflect this way and that. I asked a pretty specific question of you. I was the one in this thread to point out that the 5 year plan isnt in effect, remember? Explain, If you can, you seem dazed and confused. I think you respond to so many threads you don't know if you are coming or going. You can't reason with unreasonable people who refused to listen to others points of view. And doesn't accept any answers to the questions . BUT SAY YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. Buck this is the end of a tedious exchange with a person who has a problem listening to rational OPINIONS.Dave

Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what. Buck, don't you think that they factored in the increased revenue that the extra $10 would bring in? Remember this is just opinions no need to provoke anyone. Dave Love how Hurst quoted DMPs being such a tool....good thing we charge for them then.....think the only tool here is someone who believes ti isnt about license sales (lol) Cant provide proof, so the personal shots begin huh? Ok Buck, then prove us wrong, where is your proof we are wrong. Is your opinion based on fact or do you just like to disagree? I don't see any personal shots here. Just people stating their opinion and we don't have to agree.Dave You are the one making the claim that its all about the money, and I asked you to back up your claim. Dont try to spin it, like I said if you cant back it up, you are talking out of your ass. Youre right, we dont have to agree, but dont whine about it when someone calls you out and asks for proof that you are basing your opinion on. Calling people names isnt a personal shot? Really? Who called you a name not me. Why do you have to stoop to offensive language. This is usually the point where the thread starts to go down hill. Be a bit more civil. It must be about the money because they are now charging for something that had been free for as long as I can remember. If it weren't about the money than they then they could have just issued Bow/Ml tags and no DMP would be issued in Bow or ML season. The DEC could issue DMP for gun season only and could control the DMU take especially in areas that have low deer counts. Respectfully Dave The person that I was replying to, whom, btw wasnt you. Offensive language? Thats your new deflection? Still no answer or proof to what I asked about. What deflection are you talking about? Read my post again I think it addresses my opinion about the $10 fee . Dave I read it. I asked you earlier to provide some numbers to back up the idea that its all about money. Do you want me to name them too? Remember this is part of the 5 year plan. This is a proposal and is not in affect yet and we are just voicing our OPINIONS on the Plan. Maybe the numbers you want are all the hunters who will be paying an extra $10 for a DMP to be used during bow season. Don't know how to explain it any better than that. Who knows the numbers ?no body, until the 5 year plan is passed and bow hunters apply for the DMP's in 2012. So you may get your numbers next year. Asking for numbers to back up an opinion when there are no real numbers is not a valid question.Dave

Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what. Buck, don't you think that they factored in the increased revenue that the extra $10 would bring in? Remember this is just opinions no need to provoke anyone. Dave Love how Hurst quoted DMPs being such a tool....good thing we charge for them then.....think the only tool here is someone who believes ti isnt about license sales (lol) Cant provide proof, so the personal shots begin huh? Ok Buck, then prove us wrong, where is your proof we are wrong. Is your opinion based on fact or do you just like to disagree? I don't see any personal shots here. Just people stating their opinion and we don't have to agree.Dave You are the one making the claim that its all about the money, and I asked you to back up your claim. Dont try to spin it, like I said if you cant back it up, you are talking out of your ass. Youre right, we dont have to agree, but dont whine about it when someone calls you out and asks for proof that you are basing your opinion on. Calling people names isnt a personal shot? Really? Who called you a name not me. Why do you have to stoop to offensive language. This is usually the point where the thread starts to go down hill. Be a bit more civil. It must be about the money because they are now charging for something that had been free for as long as I can remember. If it weren't about the money than they then they could have just issued Bow/Ml tags and no DMP would be issued in Bow or ML season. The DEC could issue DMP for gun season only and could control the DMU take especially in areas that have low deer counts. Respectfully Dave The person that I was replying to, whom, btw wasnt you. Offensive language? Thats your new deflection? Still no answer or proof to what I asked about. What deflection are you talking about? Read my post again I think it addresses my opinion about the $10 fee . Dave