Of no-Obama Wouldn't Try To Take Guns AwayCould Someone Please Explain This, Then?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Those guns still start out being sold legally, mostly from states that have very loose gun control laws. People buy them down south legally, transport them north, and sell them illegally.

Is that really new information to anyone?

So tell me, how is a new law going to stop this already illegal activity?

[WNYBuckHunter]

"Obama will never try and take away our guns" Thats why the very next day after getting re elected they signed the UN small arms treaty. Lovely

That treaty will do nothing to our 2A rights. Stop buying into the hype about it.

[WNYBuckHunter]

You cannot just buy a pistol without a permit. It's impossible. Even a private sale requires a permit.

Sure you can, just go the the hood and buy a stolen one form Jimmy the drug dealer down the street. Its that easy, and no new laws will change that.

[13BVET]

Sure you can, just go the the hood and buy a stolen one form Jimmy the drug dealer down the street. Its that easy, and no new laws will change that.

I agree 100%. Unfortunately, some people seem to think that new laws are the cure all.

[virgil]

I know a lot of you guys are against the idea of gun registration. But, wouldn't that help prevent legally purchased guns from being sold illegally second-hand?

[WNYBuckHunter]

no

[virgil]

Why not? When you sell your registered car second-hand, there's a paper trail.

[steve863]

I know a lot of you guys are against the idea of gun registration. But, wouldn't that help prevent legally purchased guns from being sold illegally second-hand?

I think it would. As I think everyone understands here, if all guns enter the market LEGALLY, we would then know exactly how it might have gotten into the wrong hands. If the gun is registered in my name, and I didn't legally sell it to someone else(after which the gun will be registered to someone else) or reported it stolen, exactly HOW did the criminal then get it?? This is where current laws are useless. Once the original purchaser buys the gun legally, he could pretty much legally sell it to anyone he wants without any consequences. So like I said in another post, WE the legal owners are the suppliers of guns to criminals whether we want to believe it or not. It is to our advantage to come up with ways that ALL gun transactions be legal transactions. I honestly believe that the majority of gun owners out there don't even take a minute to try to figure out how things can transpire with the current laws we have. Just listening to the NRA BS surely won't give people a good understanding.

[virgil]

My guess is that the arguments against registration are that there would be fees involved and that registration would make it easy for the government to come get our guns.

[Sogaard]

I already have to register all my guns, that's been the law in NYC for as long as I can remember. The registering part doesn't bother me, its the fee (read as: tax) to register them that bothers me.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Why not? When you sell your registered car second-hand, there's a paper trail.

People will still sell them ILLEGALLY just like they do now.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I already have to register all my guns, that's been the law in NYC for as long as I can remember. The registering part doesn't bother me, its the fee (read as: tax) to register them that bothers me.

How about the fact that they can come and get them whenever they choose because they know right where they are?

[virgil]

People will still sell them ILLEGALLY just like they do now.

I've never heard that a lot of people sell cars illegally? I would think that a similar registration system that works for cars could be applied to guns.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I think it would. As I think everyone understands here, if all guns enter the market LEGALLY, we would then know exactly how it might have gotten into the wrong hands. If the gun is registered in my name, and I didn't legally sell it to someone else(after which the gun will be registered to someone else) or reported it stolen, exactly HOW did the criminal then get it?? This is where current laws are useless. Once the original purchaser buys the gun legally, he could pretty much legally sell it to anyone he wants without any consequences. So like I said in another post, WE the legal owners are the suppliers of guns to criminals whether we want to believe it or not. It is to our advantage to come up with ways that ALL gun transactions be legal transactions. I honestly believe that the majority of gun owners out there don't even take a minute to try to figure out how things can transpire with the current laws we have. Just listening to the NRA BS surely won't give people a good understanding.

Steve, do YOU want to be held responsible for what the next guy you sell your gun to does with it?

There are already laws in place that make gun CRIMES illegal, right? Still doesnt stop people from committing those crimes. Laws ONLY affect those that follow them. Its pretty simple.

[WNYBuckHunter]

People will still sell them ILLEGALLY just like they do now.

I've never heard that a lot of people sell cars illegally? I would think that a similar registration system that works for cars could be applied to guns.

Really? Thats a crock of you know what. People sell untitled cars for parts every day. Cars are stolen and chopped and sold as parts every day. Give me a break.

[WNYBuckHunter]

BTW, cars and guns are two different things, you cant even compare them. The only reason you need to provide a paper trail for a car is if you want to drive it on the street. You can own as many unregistered cars as you want to, no paper trail necessary, you just cant legally drive them on the street, insure them, etc. The same process and logic can not apply to guns, as you arent driving them down the street with a license plate on the back.

What do you propose, a gun inspection each year to make sure you still have the guns that are registered to you? Mandatory gun insurance? Hmmmmm....I hear the Socialist drum beating here....

[steve863]

I already have to register all my guns, that's been the law in NYC for as long as I can remember. The registering part doesn't bother me, its the fee (read as: tax) to register them that bothers me.

True, no one would like high fees. I think in this computer age, the fees could be kept minimal if anything at all. I just think if we don't do something to make the system better than it currently is, we will lose out sooner than later. The never give an inch ideology will not work too much longer in modern day America, I can assure anyone of that.

[Dinsdale]

People will still sell them ILLEGALLY just like they do now.

I've never heard that a lot of people sell cars illegally? I would think that a similar registration system that works for cars could be applied to guns.

I don't think folks can comprehend just how many guns there are out there to account for.

The supply of "off the books" guns is inexhaustable. You will end up with just a fraction of whats out there and to those who want to play in the system.

Even the Canadians never got a handle on the numbers with a fraction of whats here in the States; and just like NY COBIS system, they scrapped it after all the expense.

[virgil]

WNY, keep up the 'socialist drum' nonsense and the militant stances against any attempts to make things better. Those positions are serving you well.

[steve863]

Steve, do YOU want to be held responsible for what the next guy you sell your gun to does with it?

I wouldn't be held responsible if I legally sold it. If the next guy sells it illegally then it's his problem. If he illegally sold it to someone who committed a murder with it, the seller should not be responsible for the murder, only for selling a gun illegally. That's all. Yeah, it may look like there is an extra burden on the legal gun owner here, but I honestly think that is the only way that legal guns (which again are ALL guns that leave the gun manufacturers plants) will stop falling into the hands of criminals. Nothing is foolproof, but this sure beats the laws we currently have. Plus this country already has uncountable amounts of legal and illegal guns already in circulation. At least it would show society that we law abiding gun owners are taking steps to prevent new guns from falling into the wrong hands. That is why I am for gun owners initiating something like this before the anti-gun crowd does stuff a hell of a lot worse. Just as in hunting, when we are told to police our own, we need to do it with gun ownership too.

[Elmo]

If you don't count police, then in my lifetime I've seen more illegal handguns then legal handguns and it's not even close.

[Elmo]

I already have to register all my guns, that's been the law in NYC for as long as I can remember. The registering part doesn't bother me, its the fee (read as: tax) to register them that bothers me.

Ditto.

[WNYBuckHunter]

WNY, keep up the 'socialist drum' nonsense and the militant stances against any attempts to make things better. Those positions are serving you well.

Ahhh, typical Liberal reaction to being proven wrong. Truth hurts I guess.Thanks for the chuckle.

[WNYBuckHunter]

steve, you honestly think that nobody would come after you with a lawsuit of some sort? It has happened before, probably alot more often than we hear about.

Anyway, it doesnt matter if gun owners tried getting something like that through or anti gunners did, its already illegal and has been found to be unconstitutional. It would take an amendment to change it.

[virgil]

WNY, you've proven nothing. In fact, you've offered nothing to this conversation. If you're entertained, that's great. If you are so easily validated, even better. Possibly delusional, but whatever.