Bow, crossbow, or airgun?

[shawnhu]

What say you? Should it be allowed for big game in NY?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Sure, if it can achieve the necessary speed, KE to kill a Whitetail, add it to gun season.

It does not have limbs or a string, so I would not support its use in archery season.

[growalot]

Looks a lot easier than the cross bow for sure....seriously quieter...what is the speed? KE ? ethical range for killing....You could certainly slice a few wood chucks with that ....but it's an air powered arrow so gun only

[bowslinger]

i have a old fur fish game where a guy write about using a pellet gun for deer cant rember what state it was in

[arrow nocker]

that thing is awsome.I wonder if you could use it in small game the way it is now.

[Guns&ReligionCop]

If it can kill it, sure why not! I wouldn't use it but its pretty cool.

[greensider]

have you seen the sling shots set up to shoot arrows pretty cool

[AaronBlaine]

cool

[shawnhu]

Not sure what it's classified as. Most likely airgun. If it is, I don't see why it can't be used currently for small game.

[Elmo]

Not sure what it's classified as. Most likely airgun. If it is, I don't see why it can't be used currently for small game.

If it's classified as crossbow then no. Crossbow can only be used for deer and bear.

[sits in trees]

its not a stick and string and this is what opponents of the crossbow are talking about when they say inclusion of the crossbow can open a pandoras box of possibliltities. when crossbows become legal in NY state in one form or another they will have to set strict guidelines as other states do as far as arrow length, draw, components and that the bow does have limbs and a string..

[Doc]

I hope no one is terribly disappointed if others use different definitions of what is appropriate in bow seasons than we do. This has all the same appeal that the crossbow has, and all it takes is for a movement to start that wants to define archery as involving the "arrow". Or maybe definitions aimed at effective range, etc. Yes, all the concerns about aging and infirm hunters can be brought into play. The disabled argument can be pressed into action again. The same "selfish" and "elitist" arguments can be applied to those that oppose it. The campaigns to villify any organization that backs exclusion can occur. And the same arguments about how it would all increase hunter numbers and the inclusion of youngsters and ladies all apply. We've heard it all before haven't we?

The only thing that is different is that now we want to use our own new definitions of what belongs in bow season. Hmmmm where have I heard that before. The fact is that our personal definitions mean nothing once manufacturers and their monied campaigns get involved. Or if enough people decide that this supplies an easy way into the prized and envied bow season. We can talk about bending limbs, strings, and such as being necessary components, but understand that all that stuff means nothing if enough people get behind this device and decide they want it in bow season. The fact is that we are not masters of our own destiny. We do not have a majority position here, and if a big enough movement gets established to include these things in bow season, it will happen. And with so many people now eyeballing bow seasons and with the desire to remove the challenges of archery in order to participate, I would not be shocked to see a movement to include these things as well. Sure there will be years of fighting, and a whole lot of name-calling, and all of the other tactics that we have come to expect, but the results will be the same regardless of how long it takes.

It's funny .... now even before the inclusion of crossbows in bow season has been completed, we have those same people now looking to become exclusionary themselves. I sense selfish and elitist and exclusionary attitudes as the shoe slips onto the other foot ... lol.

I am not saying that support for inclusion of this abomination into bow seasons is inevitable, but I am saying that I would not be terribly shocked if it did develop. Or maybe some other kind of ridiculous technological advancement will come out of the wood-work. It would be foolish in this age of tech-worship to think that will never happen, but who knows? I do know that our own personal little "self definitions" of what constitutes archery will hold nothing but a delaying force if enough people decide they want it.

The saving grace from my standpoint is that I am of the age where it pretty much doesn't matter. It's time to adopt the attitude that the next generation has to make their own decisions on such matters .... lol.

[sits in trees]

Doc in all fairness crossbows have been around for thousands of years, this air arrow gun has not. It is highly unlikely that anything like this airgun/arrow launcher will ever be allowed into bow season. Crossbow supporters have always been very adament about things like draw length, arrow velocity and lenght and most important that it still be a bow, yes limbs and a string being part of the legalization criteria..

I would not want to see bow season become a free for all for anything that propells an arrow in any way or from, and most crossbow supporters that i know of feel exactly the same way. There is a very fine line between common sense and outright ridiculousness, and a crossbow with limb and draw and velocity regulations falls into the common sense part as far as i can see.

[Doc]

Doc in all fairness crossbows have been around for thousands of years, this air arrow gun has not. It is highly unlikely that anything like this airgun/arrow launcher will ever be allowed into bow season. Crossbow supporters have always been very adament about things like draw length, arrow velocity and lenght and most important that it still be a bow, yes limbs and a string being part of the legalization criteria..

I would not want to see bow season become a free for all for anything that propells an arrow in any way or from, and most crossbow supporters that i know of feel exactly the same way. There is a very fine line between common sense and outright ridiculousness, and a crossbow with limb and draw and velocity regulations falls into the common sense part as far as i can see.

I hear what you are saying, but I remember when inclusion of a crossbow in bowseason was unthinkable as well, or to a lesser extent, the compound bow. I mean really adamantly unthinkable. I truly hope you are absolutely right. But I have watched a lot of decades of evolution of bow hunting and the attitude changes that have occured toward bowhunting, and I am not ready to say that anything is impossible. From the time when I first got into bowhunting (early 1960's), I have to say that most of the equipment has absolutely no similarity to what was originally considered to be archery equipment. I don't expect those kinds of radical changes to all of a sudden stop. I know we all think we have firm control and limits on these things, but history has shown that we really don't. It is all a slowly evolving activity with evergreen rules and restrictions.

[sits in trees]

all we can hope for is that sportsman continue to make the rules and govern our sport, and that people who have little or no respect for the sport of hunting dont ever take control. anything is possible but im still an optimist and to this very day we dont have hunters in the woods during rifle season with 50cal BMGs or night vision or any of the other millions of things crazies could dream up to make real sportsman want to not even enter the woods.......

[Five Seasons]

that thing is cool. pretty close to a crossbow.

[Elmo]

Whats is worst? Hunting evolving in ways to expand hunting or hunting dying as people move away of tradition? Like Bob Marley said "no one canna stoppa da time."

[WNYBuckHunter]

that thing is cool. pretty close to a crossbow.

How so?

Oh wait, your an NYB member thats gonna say a crossbow is a gun. Nevermind, silly me!

[Five Seasons]

How so?

Oh wait, your an NYB member thats gonna say a crossbow is a gun. Nevermind, silly me!

who started it this time? the only difference is one uses a string to propel a bolt, the other uses air. Some may say this is a fundamental difference but if the velocity of the bolt (seems we all want to know what it is) is the same as an average xbow I don't see a huge difference between this and an autococking xbow with a scope and a trigger. insert bolt, aim scope and pull trigger. I don't use an xbox so perhaps I'm missing something.

[WNYBuckHunter]

The fundamental difference is the lack of limbs and string. Its an easy concept once you let go of the NYB brainwashing and lies. An arrow fired from a string powered by the tension from the limbs = archery equipment. Air or powder propelled projectile (bullet, arrow, etc) = gun.

I wont fall into your childish "he started it" nonsense.

[Five Seasons]

you did though. all i said was that it was cool and similar to a crossbow and you came in swinging, and in fact quoted me vs the other guys who were far more specific. Between you and Tughill correcting a typo I'm not sure it matters what I do. Don't you have another doe to pick up from the butchers instead of stalking me?

Edited December 10, 2012 by Belo

[tughillhunter]

just giving you a taste of your own medicine girlfriend.

[Five Seasons]

just giving you a taste of your own medicine girlfriend.

girlfriend...

[tughillhunter]

lol. i knew it.

[WNYBuckHunter]

you did though. all i said was that it was cool and similar to a crossbow and you came in swinging, and in fact quoted me vs the other guys who were far more specific. Between you and Tughill correcting a typo I'm not sure it matters what I do. Don't you have another doe to pick up from the butchers instead of stalking me?

I came in and made a joke. Cry me a river.

I cut up my own deer. Dont you have another Anti-hunter meeting to attend?