Who posts a potential new WR and isn't joking?

[phade]

The entire crux is in #3...you posted this up on a separate forum and confirmed its legitimacy with two sources.

Another question, once inside a high fence, what besides the fence in a picture would indicate that you were or weren't inside the fence. A picture sent to you by some other internet dude.

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One's reptuation. He's been on the cover of NAW, and from our coversations, you can tell his knows his stuff. You can also look at the antlers as an indicator as to high fence. That's about all you can do or take in short of being there. The buck was killed in KY, and not in Ohio where this is playing out.

 

THe entire crux is not #3, nobody here other than you is whining about it. Let's look at this, three people confirmed the deer was real and legit to me those were from two separate parties. Chasin and 195 and then OB. 195 has been on NAW. OB was on Trophy Pursuit and had several other respected hunters I knew who know/met him. All of these hunters have killed B&C (OB not so much now), two are from Ohio and the third from KY. Video was taken of said buck and game cam pics are posted. You can try to hawk me for it, but deer hunting publications actually ran stories on it and vetted it as well. So your agenda against me is just blinding yourself to the situational context.  

[Five Seasons]

I think my point is three fold:

1. This is what antler obsession leads to.

 

 

 

No, No, No. This is what greed for the all mighty dollar leads too. Antler obsession is why many of us spend hours and hours in the woods pre-season. Why we turn down a night of drinking to wake at 4. Why we spend thousands of dollars on the sport. Why it's even ruined some marriages. At the end of the day a hunter can be truly proud and smile at night when HE or SHE knows they shot a great buck. That hunter does not sleep or smile the same when they know they are a fraud.

 

I know you're in the sport to fill your freezer and I have nothing against that. But lying about a kill is more of a reflection on the hunter and their values then on the desire to shoot a big buck. Big bucks are shot every year by guys who don't film their hunts, don't send pictures into a magazine or even own a computer. The attention whore comes in all walks of life and that doesn't mean all horn hunters are in it so others will be jealous of them. Most, including myself are in it for the personal accomplishment. I keep all my antlers in the garage on the wall on plaques because I can look at every one of them and remember the hunt. I cannot recall all my doe hunts... mostly because there's not that unique rack on the wall to trigger the memory.

[Meat Manager]

One's reptuation. He's been on the cover of NAW, and from our coversations, you can tell his knows his stuff. You can also look at the antlers as an indicator as to high fence. That's about all you can do or take in short of being there. The buck was killed in KY, and not in Ohio where this is playing out.

THe entire crux is not #3, nobody here other than you is whining about it. Let's look at this, three people confirmed the deer was real and legit to me those were from two separate parties. Chasin and 195 and then OB. 195 has been on NAW. OB was on Trophy Pursuit and had several other respected hunters I knew who know/met him. All of these hunters have killed B&C (OB not so much now), two are from Ohio and the third from KY. Video was taken of said buck and game cam pics are posted. You can try to hawk me for it, but deer hunting publications actually ran stories on it and vetted it as well. So your agenda against me is just blinding yourself to the situational context.

You keep missing the point...I said you unknowingly did it, I'm not attacking you, I'm basically saying your a victim, but of your own making.

I'm attacking this notion that a person being on NAW, or any other industry production or publication, or having chatted with you and knowing his stuff means crap, and illustrates that when they aren't shooting them on farms they aren't shooting them at all.

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Edited May 13, 2014 by Meat Manager

[Meat Manager]

No, No, No. This is what greed for the all mighty dollar leads too. Antler obsession is why many of us spend hours and hours in the woods pre-season. Why we turn down a night of drinking to wake at 4. Why we spend thousands of dollars on the sport. Why it's even ruined some marriages. At the end of the day a hunter can be truly proud and smile at night when HE or SHE knows they shot a great buck. That hunter does not sleep or smile the same when they know they are a fraud.

I know you're in the sport to fill your freezer and I have nothing against that. But lying about a kill is more of a reflection on the hunter and their values then on the desire to shoot a big buck. Big bucks are shot every year by guys who don't film their hunts, don't send pictures into a magazine or even own a computer. The attention whore comes in all walks of life and that doesn't mean all horn hunters are in it so others will be jealous of them. Most, including myself are in it for the personal accomplishment. I keep all my antlers in the garage on the wall on plaques because I can look at every one of them and remember the hunt. I cannot recall all my doe hunts... mostly because there's not that unique rack on the wall to trigger the memory.

Not just to fill the freezer...to manage the herd so the farmers don't do it for me in the offseason.

So I still take issue with bone boners, if that's all they care about.

Mature deer, awesome, big buck and horns...even better...

Only reason to be in the woods? Not even close.

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[Five Seasons]

Wew just tried to read that thread at AT. So basically he is a pen deer hunter and someone busted him and he deleted his facebook twitter and other accounts.

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I found the initial accusation around page 20 something. And can't seem to figure out where any proof ever got posted. That thread is huge.

 

Not just to fill the freezer...to manage the herd so the farmers don't do it for me in the offseason.

So I still take issue with bone boners, if that's all they care about.

Mature deer, awesome, big buck and horns...even better...

Only reason to be in the woods? Not even close.

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never said that was the only reason. I have stated over and over over the last few years that I enjoy hunting because I love nature. A day in the woods without even seeing a deer is still awesome to me. I do not see it as my duty to manage the herd. I enjoy the hell out of venison. I love a good story and I love drinking some beers with my dad, uncles and cousins in the barn that night. Hunting is so many things to me, but never once has it been about herd management. Sorry.

[Meat Manager]

I found the initial accusation around page 20 something. And can't seem to figure out where any proof ever got posted. That thread is huge.

never said that was the only reason. I have stated over and over over the last few years that I enjoy hunting because I love nature. A day in the woods without even seeing a deer is still awesome to me. I do not see it as my duty to manage the herd. I enjoy the hell out of venison. I love a good story and I love drinking some beers with my dad, uncles and cousins in the barn that night. Hunting is so many things to me, but never once has it been about herd management. Sorry.

I'm not saying you are only hunting for bone...I saw that nice ml harvest you had and have read your stories involving family.

I do think that if you are not thinking herd management then you are not thinking about the future of hunting...antler management on the other hand will have little impact on the future ability to hunt in ever more developed/populated areas.

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[Doewhacker]

I found the initial accusation around page 20 something. And can't seem to figure out where any proof ever got posted. That thread is huge.

 

 

never said that was the only reason. I have stated over and over over the last few years that I enjoy hunting because I love nature. A day in the woods without even seeing a deer is still awesome to me. I do not see it as my duty to manage the herd. I enjoy the hell out of venison. I love a good story and I love drinking some beers with my dad, uncles and cousins in the barn that night. Hunting is so many things to me, but never once has it been about herd management. Sorry.

 

The link I posted went directly to page 47 where the lid was offically blown off of OB. The first accusation was on page 13.

 

The OG may be a wild free ranging deer but I for one do not care any more. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

[Five Seasons]

The link I posted went directly to page 47 where the lid was offically blown off of OB. The first accusation was on page 13.

 

The OG may be a wild free ranging deer but I for one do not care any more. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

 

thanks. I hate being late to a party, but long threads like that make my head hurt. reading the initial accusation got real fishy when the dude just disappeared. Did he ever post again?

[Doewhacker]

Yes he did, that 195bc guy came back on too saying the OG is legit backing up Chasin'. Strange tale

[phade]

Basically, OB sounds like he was trying to move in on OG, which appears to be a legit wild free ranging buck. Chasin and 195B/C are friends. 195B/C knows OB as an aquaintance.

 

OB insisted he knew of this buck, too. I actually say it is 50-50 he knew of this buck. He told me and others before Chasin posted that he had been glassing a giant buck and described it perfectly as OG is in the trail cam pics. Chasin posted this quite some time later and OB confirmed he saw this buck. If there is an element of truth to this, it might be that OB actually saw this deer on a slightly different core range, because what are the chances that OB and Chasin hunted close-by areas with such a typical beast like that. I think that's where the truths stop. OB was trying to get more info on the buck's locale once it shifted and tried to move in on Chasin's area. 195 confirmed the buck is real and has said he has seen other hunters' trail cam pics of the buck. The area is getting alot of attention locally and most hunters are keeping quiet. Chasin's cousin is the one who screwed up and posted it on FB for the world to see.

 

I think that's the jist of it, the buck is likely real (in my opinion). But, OB has had a few of his kills now show up to be high fence or reproductions that were mounted. Sounds like he was setting up to move in on this buck or kill another one via HF and use the attention/false image of hunting this buck. While money is a motivator, and probably the one reason Marc did what he did with his buck, but OB is in banking and is an executive for a major bank, so I don't think he's super needy with money.

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[Five Seasons]

While money is a motivator, and probably the one reason Marc did what he did with his buck, but OB is in banking and is an executive for a major bank, so I don't think he's super needy with money.

 

People with money often seek what's next. Fame and notoriety or power. Celeb or politician... or both.

[phade]

People with money often seek what's next. Fame and notoriety or power. Celeb or politician... or both.

Dude appeared to have it all - and that's probably most concerning for me. Well educated, well paid, lots of toys, religious, his wife was ridiculously good looking, and so on and so forth. Not really sure what the motivator was in it but it's probably one of those you noted.

[PWGUNNY]

A confusing deer hunting soap opera/reality show developed out of that whole thread.  I followed the thread on AT a year ago and went back yesterday to see it all blowing up on Ohiobooners.  It's a lot of reading and the cast of characters gets confusing.  Ohiobooners(Chad), Chasinwhitetail (Chad),Dean, 195 B&C, whack em stack em, all had some piece of the puzzle.  I think there is likely one hunter posting under multiple identities.

No doubt they are all serious hunters, but when Dean cryptically outed OB, everyone defended OB and trashed Dean.  The Antler Fever was real strong in this group.

 

One thing I see is how religious some of these guys are.  Here's my frequent phrase, "the loudest ones in church are the biggest sinners".  It would make for a good TV segment.  The Mystery of OG

[PWGUNNY]

Has OB Chad surfaced yet?

 

I'll head over to AT for my daily dose.

[phade]

A confusing deer hunting soap opera/reality show developed out of that whole thread.  I followed the thread on AT a year ago and went back yesterday to see it all blowing up on Ohiobooners.  It's a lot of reading and the cast of characters gets confusing.  Ohiobooners(Chad), Chasinwhitetail (Chad),Dean, 195 B&C, whack em stack em, all had some piece of the puzzle.  I think there is likely one hunter posting under multiple identities.

No doubt they are all serious hunters, but when Dean cryptically outed OB, everyone defended OB and trashed Dean.  The Antler Fever was real strong in this group.

 

One thing I see is how religious some of these guys are.  Here's my frequent phrase, "the loudest ones in church are the biggest sinners".  It would make for a good TV segment.  The Mystery of OG

 

Dean pulled a fast one on the AT people a few years back with another big buck - as a joke, but it got a big amount of attention. He's killed quite a few big bucks, but his stunt left some people ticked at him before he outed OB. Dean also lost his son in a military accident. - his son has just signed up for service.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Basically, OB sounds like he was trying to move in on OG, which appears to be a legit wild free ranging buck. Chasin and 195B/C are friends. 195B/C knows OB as an aquaintance.

 

OB insisted he knew of this buck, too. I actually say it is 50-50 he knew of this buck. He told me and others before Chasin posted that he had been glassing a giant buck and described it perfectly as OG is in the trail cam pics. Chasin posted this quite some time later and OB confirmed he saw this buck. If there is an element of truth to this, it might be that OB actually saw this deer on a slightly different core range, because what are the chances that OB and Chasin hunted close-by areas with such a typical beast like that. I think that's where the truths stop. OB was trying to get more info on the buck's locale once it shifted and tried to move in on Chasin's area. 195 confirmed the buck is real and has said he has seen other hunters' trail cam pics of the buck. The area is getting alot of attention locally and most hunters are keeping quiet. Chasin's cousin is the one who screwed up and posted it on FB for the world to see.

 

I think that's the jist of it, the buck is likely real (in my opinion). But, OB has had a few of his kills now show up to be high fence or reproductions that were mounted. Sounds like he was setting up to move in on this buck or kill another one via HF and use the attention/false image of hunting this buck. While money is a motivator, and probably the one reason Marc did what he did with his buck, but OB is in banking and is an executive for a major bank, so I don't think he's super needy with money.

Maybe their high powered spotting scope just focused right through the wires on the fence? lol. Kind of like not seeing a twig with you rifle scope

[sampotter]

Phade- before the AT thread got pulled down this afternoon there was a lot of evidence posted that made it appear that OB had never actually killed any legitimate big bucks at all. A Trophy Pursuit guy also posted pictures of OB with 3 different sub-100" bucks he had killed last fall. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but you wouldn't expect a guy with 3 gross B+C bucks to want to kill multiple immature bucks in a season...

 

I read it somewhere in the AT thread, but one poster said something along the lines of, "all of these antler hoaxes make me want to x-ray my own racks to make sure they are real."

[burmjohn]

Glad ill never have someone ask me to xray my deer.

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[Five Seasons]

A confusing deer hunting soap opera/reality show developed out of that whole thread.  I followed the thread on AT a year ago and went back yesterday to see it all blowing up on Ohiobooners.  It's a lot of reading and the cast of characters gets confusing.  Ohiobooners(Chad), Chasinwhitetail (Chad),Dean, 195 B&C, whack em stack em, all had some piece of the puzzle.  I think there is likely one hunter posting under multiple identities.

No doubt they are all serious hunters, but when Dean cryptically outed OB, everyone defended OB and trashed Dean.  The Antler Fever was real strong in this group.

 

One thing I see is how religious some of these guys are.  Here's my frequent phrase, "the loudest ones in church are the biggest sinners".  It would make for a good TV segment.  The Mystery of OG

 

 

I'm not a member on that site, but the whole mystery outing was really poorly handled. If you have something to say come out with it, instead of being all preachy and cryptic. Could have saved 40 pages of useless posts.

 

I will admit to getting confused too. OB, OG etc. lol.

 

[PWGUNNY]

Belo-  I couldn't agree more about the cryptic post.  The guy took a lot of heat for it too.  Now, since OB has disappeared from the forum, Chasinwhitetails is taking the heat.  Too many posts and confusing characters to get it all straight, but funny when you realize it's all over the size of a buck's antlers.  It's not murder or rape.  It's victimless, maybe a mild case of fraud.  Sure is good for the website traffic though.

[sampotter]

Belo-  I couldn't agree more about the cryptic post.  The guy took a lot of heat for it too.  Now, since OB has disappeared from the forum, Chasinwhitetails is taking the heat.  Too many posts and confusing characters to get it all straight, but funny when you realize it's all over the size of a buck's antlers.  It's not murder or rape.  It's victimless, maybe a mild case of fraud.  Sure is good for the website traffic though.

 

 

The heat is off chasen now too. In the end it really wasn't about the buck referred to as OG, it was about Ohiobooners, a Frank Abagnale-type that faked multiple deer as legitimate, free-range kills. Heck, he even claimed to have found the sheds from the amish Shmucker buck and said he was 'so' close to catching up with that buck before the amishman shot him. The picture he used of the sheds was not his and was actually swiped off the internet....

[Doewhacker]

I surprised so many believed his over the top BS stories and defended him whenever some one questioned him. I even saw in a post from @2010 where some one called him for the ear tag hole and he made up a story on that. He said his dad did it when he went to finish him off, I think later he claimed it to be a bow kill too.

[burmjohn]

Wow he even has his own hitler video now.

 

http://meemsy.com/v/17247

[Five Seasons]

Belo-  I couldn't agree more about the cryptic post.  The guy took a lot of heat for it too.  Now, since OB has disappeared from the forum, Chasinwhitetails is taking the heat.  Too many posts and confusing characters to get it all straight, but funny when you realize it's all over the size of a buck's antlers.  It's not murder or rape.  It's victimless, maybe a mild case of fraud.  Sure is good for the website traffic though.

 

I agree about it being a little silly, but as far as victimless? Certainly worse things are out there, but when someone makes money (not sure how much he has earned over the years) through deception, he has certainly deceived and earned that money undeservedly. Secondly, the impact his family now faces will hurt them. They have probably grown used to a style of living that they no longer can enjoy when the sponsors leave. It'd be better had he not ever gotten "famous" in the first place I would think.

 

I surprised so many believed his over the top BS stories and defended him whenever some one questioned him. I even saw in a post from @2010 where some one called him for the ear tag hole and he made up a story on that. He said his dad did it when he went to finish him off, I think later he claimed it to be a bow kill too.

 

I agree. While some of these guys kill big bucks every year it's usually because they're sponsored to travel to ranches across the country and the ranches put them in the best place to help attract more business if the TV guy shoots a nice buck. All that being said, most of us shoot a handful over 130 and up class bucks in our lifetime if we're lucky. Too much success should be fishy. The guy that "gets lucky" and shoots a monster one year shouldn't be questioned as much. But year after year?

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[Doewhacker]

Wow he even has his own hitler video now.

 

http://meemsy.com/v/17247

 

 

haha

 

Not as good as our's that Elmer did but well done!