Hunter's Code of Ethics

[pistolp71]

That what? A shotgun is as accurate as a rifle? Simply not true. Maybe you don't understand the definition of accuracy.

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[pistolp71]

I feel like I'm talking to a liberal

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

Pistol, I have tried, You sir are an idiot.

[pistolp71]

I have tried as well. And the feeling is definitely mutual.

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

Let me try this one last time.

you have a .30-06 and you super special all custom 6mm. you take them to the bench at 100 yards and shoot a 3 shot group basically holes in a hole. which one of those rifles if more accurate?

[pistolp71]

Just as suspected, you have no clue. You measure the furthest spread and deduct the caliber.only one will be more accurate. 99% of shotguns out there will not put 5 shots into one hole at 100 yards. Does yours?

Now, do you need that kind of

accuracy for most hunting in Ny? No, but the fact remains that MOST shotguns aren't as accurate as MOST rifles whether its needed or not. Plenty of places in Ny where shots beyond 100 yards are possible. It's simple

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Edited December 9, 2013 by pistolp71

[bluecoupe]

Sorry, when discussing hunting I define accuracy as: did I hit where I aimed and did the animal drop?  If the answer to both of those is yes then it's accurate. We're not talking shooting matches here we're talking downing an animal. But, I'll still hole it at the range. You wanna bring out micrometers and do trig problems - than I'll restate: you're reading WAY too much into this.

Edited December 9, 2013 by SteveC

[WNYBuckHunter]

Just as suspected, you have no clue. You measure the furthest spread and deduct the caliber.only one will be more accurate. 99% of shotguns out there will not put 5 shots into one hole at 100 yards. Does yours?

Now, do you need that kind of

accuracy for most hunting in Ny? No, but the fact remains that MOST shotguns aren't as accurate as MOST rifles whether its needed or not. Plenty of places in Ny where shots beyond 100 yards are possible. It's simple

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Look, you have a point about most this and most that. You do sound a little silly though, as you are not answering the questions he is asking. You are talking around them.

[pistolp71]

I think that may be issue here. Different views of accuracy.

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[pistolp71]

What am I not answering? Il be happy too.

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[WNYBuckHunter]

No, you just cant seem to admit you are wrong.

If weapon a shoots the same hole at 100 yards and weapon b shoots the same hole at 100 yards, they are both accurate at 100 yards. What type of weapon they are is insignificant.

[waterweasle]

yeah well my dads gun can outshoot your dads gun anyday of the week...................geeeeez get over yourself and your bench guns being more accurate them brand x shotgun, no deer has ever been killed, then sat up and said to itself "man that gun was accurate!"

Edited December 9, 2013 by waterweasle

[pistolp71]

I have no problem admitting I was wrong if I was. First like I said, most shotguns are not shooting one hole. And even if it did, you measure it to the rifle group and compare.

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[WNYBuckHunter]

One hole is one hole. Compare them and they are still one hole. Culver never said anything about most shotguns or most rifles. Again, you are talking around the issue being discussed.

[pistolp71]

This has nothing to do with my guns. Take 5 random shotgun hunters guns, most will be pumps or semis. And 5 random rifles hunters guns, most will be bolt actions. Go shoot them together and compare. Whether its needed or not one weapon is inherently more accurate than another. Just as certain calibers are.

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[WNYBuckHunter]

Btw, if my shotgun shoots the same hole at 100 and your 6BR shoots a cloverleaf at 100, then my shotgun is MORE accurate than your 6BR.

[WNYBuckHunter]

This has nothing to do with my guns. Take 5 random shotgun hunters guns, most will be pumps or semis. And 5 random rifles hunters guns, most will be bolt actions. Go shoot them together and compare. Whether its needed or not one weapon is inherently more accurate than another. Just as certain calibers are.

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Not the question or issue he posed. Keep dancing....

And you are comparing apples to oranges. Compare bolt shotguns to bolt rifles or semi auto to semi auto.

[bubba]

[waterweasle]

well in that case, perhaps the 5 people that show up with the shotguns happen to show up with the most accurate rigs you've seen..........and the rifle guys show up with junkers that would have trouble hitting the ground when dropped.............there goes your stats

[WNYBuckHunter]

Im feeling the same way Bubba. Im not going to argue this anymore, its obviously pointless.

[pistolp71]

No you measure them and one will have a smaller number than the other. It's not subjective. Still want to see these 100 yard one hole shotgun groups.

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[WNYBuckHunter]

Diameter? Yes, that will be different, but the center point is the same. Holy christ! Its freaking mind boggling!

Im done

[pistolp71]

Your as clueless as culver.

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

Just as suspected, you have no clue. You measure the furthest spread and deduct the caliber.only one will be more accurate. 99% of shotguns out there will not put 5 shots into one hole at 100 yards. Does yours?

Now, do you need that kind of

accuracy for most hunting in Ny? No, but the fact remains that MOST shotguns aren't as accurate as MOST rifles whether its needed or not. Plenty of places in Ny where shots beyond 100 yards are possible. It's simple

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Mine actually won't. I opted for the semi auto and best it will due is 1.5 MOA. But I have only carried it about 3 times in the last 5 years. I have seen 3 guns in my close circle that will do it. And we are talking factory ammo. Not hand loads as many sub MOA rifles are using. The component support just isn't there yet for shotguns. It is coming.

Just curios. What part did I get wrong that you decides I didn't have a clue? Enlighten me

[Culvercreek hunt club]

You are right. Clueless. You got me. Let's change the topic to the most accurate broad head/arrow combination that is the most accurate to gut shoot and lose a deer