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[Doc]

Between the noise and significant drop of the crossbow bolt (or arrow, whichever you want to call it), is 60 yards in a hunting situation really a good idea for most? Weve seen videos of deer jumping the string on compounds at 20 yards or less. I thought we were talking real world hunting, not target shooting.

 

As far as the amount of practice, who gives a rats patoot how much practice it takes? Can it be done by anyone that puts in the required amount of time? Yep. Should it be done by just anyone? Nope. Same goes with a crossbow, it just takes less time to get there.

 

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again, Id rather see a guy that doesnt have enough time to properly practice with his compound, take a crossbow into the woods and make a clean shot on a deer rather than botch a shot and wound that deer with a compound.

Then damn it, give that guy that wants instant gratification without the required effort a gun and be done with it.

[WNYBuckHunter]

it's kind of like the sports team that lost season after season after season, and then they win and now they're the king **** huh? It's not even official and it's funny to see the bragging going on. A division III school storming the court...

 

Most of us knew the day would eventually come. As other said, it's a surprise it took as long as it did and I believe it to be a testament to a bunch of us fighting and doing all we could. I would not consider it a total loss. You don't get the whole season and there's a minor compromise. It's not a win, win. But it's a start for hunters in general to getting along. If that's even possible Now we have ARs to debate.

 

Who was the one taunting the other side last year when it didnt go through? Remind me, please. Now you whine about getting it thrown back at you when your side clearly lost? Figures as much, can dish it out but cant take it....

[WNYBuckHunter]

Then damn it, give that guy that wants instant gratification without the required effort a gun and be done with it.

 

Sure, in firearms season, have at it. In archery season, stick with archery equipment.

 

Once again Doc, you dont fail to make the most extremist comment on an issue you can think of, which proves no point at all.

 

[Doc]

Sure, in firearms season, have at it. In archery season, stick with archery equipment.

 

Once again Doc, you dont fail to make the most extremist comment on an issue you can think of, which proves no point at all.

 

Blah, blah, blah you really don't have an answer when someone points out the fallacy of your reasoning. call it extremist if you want or whatever nonsensical irrelevant term but the fact is that if you want to follow that argument to its logical conclusion, I have just given you the perfect solution.

[Five Seasons]

Who was the one taunting the other side last year when it didnt go through? Remind me, please. Now you whine about getting it thrown back at you when your side clearly lost? Figures as much, can dish it out but cant take it....

 

where i have I "whined" once? And again, when you've been successful for decades... doesn't that buy you some rights? that was my whole point with the sports team analogy. Maybe it went over your head. Or were you busy thanking Cuomo?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

They passed the budget last night, I was told. What is the next step in the process now?

[Doc]

They passed the budget last night, I was told. What is the next step in the process now?

I'm not sure about this way of doing things. My guess would be that it has to be firmed up into some kind of bill and be handled like any other law. But that would just be a guess. I doubt it could be handled like a King Andy decree, but then I've been fooled on that one before.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Blah, blah, blah you really don't have an answer when someone points out the fallacy of your reasoning. call it extremist if you want or whatever nonsensical irrelevant term but the fact is that if you want to follow that argument to its logical conclusion, I have just given you the perfect solution.

 

I believe I answered it nicely. The conclusion to archery season is not allowing guns into it. That is, in fact, the most extreme possibility, and not reasonable at all.

[WNYBuckHunter]

where i have I "whined" once? And again, when you've been successful for decades... doesn't that buy you some rights? that was my whole point with the sports team analogy. Maybe it went over your head. Or were you busy thanking Cuomo?

 

No, it doesnt buy you any rights. You have been whining since crossbows went through. It didnt go over my head, and I was one of, if not the first one on here to give Rick M crap for the Cuomo thing, was I not?

 

Again, you were the one starting entire threads just to taunt the pro crossbow side last year. You still havent answered my question if you are still dancing.

[WNYBuckHunter]

They passed the budget last night, I was told. What is the next step in the process now?

 

From Rick McDermott...

 

"The crossbow will now be turned over to the DEC to work on setting the regulations within the parameters set forth in the budget. The process will include a Public Comment period where all NY’ers will have the ability to voice their opinions on the use and seasons. "

[Doc]

I believe I answered it nicely. The conclusion to archery season is not allowing guns into it. That is, in fact, the most extreme possibility, and not reasonable at all.

No because you have not solved the problem at all by simply putting another inferior implement in the hands of someone who is unwilling to develop the skill to use it properly. Especially a weapon that is such a clunky, heavy, awkward, noisy, inaccurate p.o.s. that you guys have been trying to convince everyone that crossbows are. Don't be half-way in the convictions of your statements. Give the guy a gun and be done with it. That way he can just go out and point and shoot, and you have given the slacker the best opportunity for avoiding a wound.

[Five Seasons]

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again, Id rather see a guy that doesnt have enough time to properly practice with his compound, take a crossbow into the woods and make a clean shot on a deer rather than botch a shot and wound that deer with a compound.

 

this we will agree on. i'm still concerned that the crossbow hunter believes the hype and doesn't practice at all. I agree there are bowhunters who do the same, but I'm guessing the numbers would be less.

[Five Seasons]

No, it doesnt buy you any rights. You have been whining since crossbows went through. It didnt go over my head, and I was one of, if not the first one on here to give Rick M crap for the Cuomo thing, was I not?

 

Again, you were the one starting entire threads just to taunt the pro crossbow side last year. You still havent answered my question if you are still dancing.

 

I still don't see whining. I just reiterated all the same crap i always have. Look at my very first post in this thread and tell me I went off the rails.

 

Should I start threads about the weather like growie? would that be better? I'm not the one who made it go multiple pages.

[WNYBuckHunter]

No because you have not solved the problem at all by simply putting another inferior implement in the hands of someone who is unwilling to develop the skill to use it properly. Especially a weapon that is such a clunky, heavy, awkward, noisy, inaccurate p.o.s. that you guys have been trying to convince everyone that crossbows are. Don't be half-way in the convictions of your statements. Give the guy a gun and be done with it. That way he can just go out and point and shoot, and you have given the slacker the best opportunity for avoiding a wound.

 

My point was to give the person archery equipment they didnt have to practice as much with to be effective, not something that kills a deer at a vastly greater distance and in a completely different way.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I still don't see whining. I just reiterated all the same crap i always have. Look at my very first post in this thread and tell me I went off the rails.

 

Should I start threads about the weather like growie? would that be better? I'm not the one who made it go multiple pages.

 

Who said you went off any rails? I said youre whining.

 

Why bring growie into this? Shes not been here in quite a while and some of you still cant leave her be. Damn kids....

[WNYBuckHunter]

this we will agree on. i'm still concerned that the crossbow hunter believes the hype and doesn't practice at all. I agree there are bowhunters who do the same, but I'm guessing the numbers would be less.

 

We will see how it pans out. Im hoping the stories of injured deer during bow season decline.

[Doc]

 

Again, you were the one starting entire threads just to taunt the pro crossbow side last year. You still havent answered my question if you are still dancing.

 Oh yeah, but you all deserved taunting .... lol. Actually, I thought that was kind of slick myself. You guys were so convinced that it all was a done deal and little tiny NYB kicked your butt back yet another year. Yeah, I'll admit to a little smile crossing my face. It was kind of a David and Goliath thing going on there. My only question is what took you guys so long?.....ha-ha-ha.

[WNYBuckHunter]

 Oh yeah, but you all deserved taunting .... lol. Actually, I thought that was kind of slick myself. You guys were so convinced that it all was a done deal and little tiny NYB kicked your butt back yet another year. Yeah, I'll admit to a little smile crossing my face. It was kind of a David and Goliath thing going on there. My only question is what took you guys so long?.....ha-ha-ha.

 

Yeah, NYB really did well against an organization thats been in existence for 2 years, didnt they? Puhlease spare me the rhetoric.

 

[Doc]

Yeah, NYB really did well against an organization thats been in existence for 2 years, didnt they? Puhlease spare me the rhetoric.

 

Yes, that "nothing" organization, and the entire gun hunting population, and the media. Absolutely, little NYB kicked your butt for a lot longer than anyone really thought possible.

[Five Seasons]

Who said you went off any rails? I said youre whining.

 

Why bring growie into this? Shes not been here in quite a while and some of you still cant leave her be. Damn kids....

 

because you were obviously upset that I started a hunting thread. I was wondering if you'd prefer I start non-hunting related threads like she did multiple times a day.

[Five Seasons]

Yeah, NYB really did well against an organization thats been in existence for 2 years, didnt they? Puhlease spare me the rhetoric.

 

 

It's laughable how you consistently leave the hundreds of millions of dollars the manufacturers had riding on this, plus a bunch of writers for a popular state magazine with hard-ons for the NYB out of this. I will tip my hat to the NYCC, but they were far from alone in getting this passed. There is no manufacturer with millions at stake who needed to keep the crossbow out... only the other way around.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Belo

[Sogaard]

They passed the budget last night, I was told. What is the next step in the process now?

 

 

Yes, it was passed last night, it is now in front of the Gov to sign (and he will).

[JFB]

Yep, they make them so compound shooters don't have too much advantage over crossbow shooters. They help equal the playing field.

 

Did you forget to comment on the 104 yard compound shot at the mule deer? That is offhand with a compound bow. yet the crossbow shooter is on a bench. HHHMMMM.

 

Crickets!!!!

 

Sorry for the Crickets... full time career I try to fit in. 

 

What do I think of that archer? He's an idiot. Shocking he had a "miss" encounter with that buck (sarcastic). I can only imagine how many he wounded trying to make that shot. 

 

The DIFFERENCE is that you already see xbows MARKET the ease of their use and distance abilities and just pulling up the scope to the deers chest is what gives so many gun hunters the false confidence that is mentioned. Never mind the fact that it's already cocked and you can get ready 5 minutes prior to the deer being in range. 

 

And no, I don't have a choice. It remains to be seen, but my guess is that my local neighborhood idiots who's idea of deer hunting is just beating the brush with a gun will now enter the former archery woods and my hunting will change and nothing I can do about it. If we pick up enough slob gun hunters, archery will be more like gun season where you simply look for escape routes on largely nocturnal deer. The real choice would have been a separate weapon season for each. Congrats to those who wanted xbow, gun season just got even longer and now the DEC is that much closer to their 1.5yr old age class goal. 

[tughillmcd]

What do you think level of training is needed to take a 100 yard compound shot versus a 100 yard crossbow shot? Why can't I set up in a blind and use my crossbow rest in my blind, similar to a rifle and at least shoot out to 60? Sure I could shoot 60 yards with my compound but I bet I'd be practicing a lot more to feel good about taking that shot. All I have to do is site in my crossbow scope right? Similar to the 8 year old boy shooting a trophy buck out off a platform with his dad's rifle on a rest... there's just not as much effort and training needed. That was my only point. That and I don't have to time my draw right either. Just cocked and locked. Pull the trigger.

 

And this doesn't even get into the "over confidence" factor that many gun hunters have. I can imagine, if crossbows are as challenging as many of you claim, the amount of hunters who will take theirs out of the box and head into the woods thinking they're Daryll from the walking dead.

 

This sounds like you have never shot a crossbow, but you are well aware of how they perform. sure you can set up a rest in a blind, but what if the deer isn't in front you you where the rest is? Now what?

Take the time to hunt with one and then you can tell us how easy it is. You are very well versed in the conjecture and emotion that has been spewed for years.

[tughillmcd]

Sorry for the Crickets... full time career I try to fit in. 

 

What do I think of that archer? He's an idiot. Shocking he had a "miss" encounter with that buck (sarcastic). I can only imagine how many he wounded trying to make that shot. 

 

The DIFFERENCE is that you already see xbows MARKET the ease of their use and distance abilities and just pulling up the scope to the deers chest is what gives so many gun hunters the false confidence that is mentioned. Never mind the fact that it's already cocked and you can get ready 5 minutes prior to the deer being in range. 

 

And no, I don't have a choice. It remains to be seen, but my guess is that my local neighborhood idiots who's idea of deer hunting is just beating the brush with a gun will now enter the former archery woods and my hunting will change and nothing I can do about it. If we pick up enough slob gun hunters, archery will be more like gun season where you simply look for escape routes on largely nocturnal deer. The real choice would have been a separate weapon season for each. Congrats to those who wanted xbow, gun season just got even longer and now the DEC is that much closer to their 1.5yr old age class goal. 

 

And almost 40 years of crossbow hunting in Ohio proves you wrong!