NY DEC: 2013 Deer Harvest Results are In

[gjs4]

_{This is about as truthful and a bridge for sale in the desert.....}

 

 

_{How does the state know the overall population of live deer and its breakdown? That is needed to make the cal more deer have to die unless you have folks filling your pockets just to say that.}

 

_{They guess at over 50% of the take (call it statistically backed but it is an unknown) and claim to age enough deer at processors for these numbers.... nope, not buying.}

 

_{Great to see the 40,000 yearly buck take....... how sad is that?}

 

_{Maybe the youth enrollment in hunting jumped 5% too. I am willing to buy some squares for next years take results....theyve probably been assembled already anyhow}

 

_{The only thing worse than this report is know folks believe it}

 

 

 

 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Youd be wrong on that. Feel free to try again...

Well maybe this post will ring your bell. You are a hypocrite to the max!

 

 

 

 

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 07:01 PM

Four Seasons, this is the last time Im going to ask you to stop with the foul language. Adding an exclamation point to replace a letter is still against the rules. 

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[Meat Manager]

_{This is about as truthful and a bridge for sale in the desert.....}

_{How does the state know the overall population of live deer and its breakdown? That is needed to make the cal more deer have to die unless you have folks filling your pockets just to say that.}

_{They guess at over 50% of the take (call it statistically backed but it is an unknown) and claim to age enough deer at processors for these numbers.... nope, not buying.}

_{Great to see the 40,000 yearly buck take....... how sad is that?}

_{Maybe the youth enrollment in hunting jumped 5% too. I am willing to buy some squares for next years take results....theyve probably been assembled already anyhow}

_{The only thing worse than this report is know folks believe it}

Ok...where's your better data?

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[SteveB]

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Or what state does a physical count of every live and dead deer?

[gjs4]

I dont have better data but my guesses may be as accurate. BTW genius; its not my job to have the data.

 

Great point on every deer SteveB.... how about most state have an idea on population and harvest based on fact; Why dont you call and ask how many deer are in your region and where taken in your region? Most states can give you some facts in that regard. Maybe caring about deer numbers is social issue and not a deer management one.

[Meat Manager]

I dont have better data but my guesses may be as accurate. BTW genius; its not my job to have the data.

Great point on every deer SteveB.... how about most state have an idea on population and harvest based on fact; Why dont you call and ask how many deer are in your region and where taken in your region? Most states can give you some facts in that regard. Maybe caring about deer numbers is social issue and not a deer management one.

Huh? Usually when someone refutes another's data or "facts" it's because of contradictory evidence (or atleast the perception of such evidence).

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[SteveB]

I dont have better data but my guesses may be as accurate. BTW genius; its not my job to have the data.

 

Great point on every deer SteveB.... how about most state have an idea on population and harvest based on fact; Why dont you call and ask how many deer are in your region and where taken in your region? Most states can give you some facts in that regard. Maybe caring about deer numbers is social issue and not a deer management one.

 

So you don't know any that are more accurate, or if they where, what methods are better.

No suggestions - just more telling what you think is wrong.

[orion]

More accurate than what?

 

Are there any #'s for each DMU?

Are there any carrying capacity data for DMU's?

Buck;doe ratios?

What are these #'s?

 

How do you manage without first knowing the #'s?

[Meat Manager]

More accurate than what?

Are there any #'s for each DMU?

Are there any carrying capacity data for DMU's?

Buck;doe ratios?

What are these #'s?

How do you manage without first knowing the #'s?

More accurate than nothing at the very least.

It's a Wildlife Management Unit, not Deer.

The only "real" numbers are deer take and I do not believe they have released the breakdown by unit yet.

State agencies in general care little about buck to doe ratios, only so much as they want to keep influential big money hunters happy do they attempt trophy or quality management techniques.

Population densities and Carrying capacity are not determined by quality or trophy management standards but by what ever the local CTF prioritizes (farms, highways, neighborhoods, etc).

It is not exact science trying to macro manage herds, many survey techniques and advanced algorithms are used to try to get an accurate estimate...again publish your own take numbers and we can see who has stronger data.

The OP is about deer take which should be an easy enough stat to collect as it's an automated system I used 7 times just this year probably totaling 5 minutes...it helps if people cooperate and report their harvests.

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[orion]

Meat Manager.

 

Since you seem to defend the state and their techniques of deer management  maybe you can send me the #'s I asked for.

 

"It is not exact science trying to macro manage herds, many survey techniques and advanced algorithms are used to try to get an accurate estimate...again publish your own take numbers and we can see who has stronger data."

 

Again I don't have #'s I am looking for Them! So  Give me yours and we will start from there.

 

[Meat Manager]

Meat Manager.

Since you seem to defend the state and their techniques of deer management maybe you can send me the #'s I asked for.

"It is not exact science trying to macro manage herds, many survey techniques and advanced algorithms are used to try to get an accurate estimate...again publish your own take numbers and we can see who has stronger data."

Again I don't have #'s I am looking for Them! So Give me yours and we will start from there.

You are asking for numbers that either have not yet been published (wmu/regional breakdown), will not be published, or are not compiled by the state on a thread about numbers that have.

If you have better statewide take figures or methods of obtaining such figures lets hear them....when the WMU take numbers are released discuss them then. Right now we are dealing in statewide deer take numbers.

This notion that this state agency is less equipped to manage a herd statewide then you or whoever else you had in mind (since you haven't mentioned any shining beacons of deer stewardship yet) is ridiculous and only encourages people to be uncooperative and counterproductive.

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<p><p>Well maybe this post will ring your bell. You are a hypocrite to the max!

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 07:01 PMFour Seasons, this is the last time Im going to ask you to stop with the foul language. Adding an exclamation point to replace a letter is still against the rules.

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That wasnt for the word ass. Keep grabbing at straws trying to prove some point, or stir the pot somehow. Nice to see some name calling thrown in there for good measure.

[orion]

You are asking for numbers that either have not yet been published (wmu/regional breakdown), will not be published, or are not compiled by the state on a thread about numbers that have. If you have better statewide take figures or methods of obtaining such figures lets hear them....when the WMU take numbers are released discuss them then. Right now we are dealing in statewide deer take numbers. This notion that this state agency is less equipped to manage a herd statewide then you or whoever else you had in mind (since you haven't mentioned any shining beacons of deer stewardship yet) is ridiculous and only encourages people to be uncooperative and counterproductive. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

AGAIN I don't have #'s nor do I claim to. Was just looking for the states #'s. Very Simple question.

 

I just thought if the state wanted to reduce population by a certain amount in WMU's (is that better) they wold actually have a population # to begin with and then hand out DMP's accordingly. Or is that a crazy thought?

 

I don't know where you get the idea I thought I could do it better? Maybe you can show me that.

[Meat Manager]

AGAIN I don't have #'s nor do I claim to. Was just looking for the states #'s. Very Simple question.

I just thought if the state wanted to reduce population by a certain amount in WMU's (is that better) they wold actually have a population # to begin with and then hand out DMP's accordingly. Or is that a crazy thought?

I don't know where you get the idea I thought I could do it better? Maybe you can show me that.

There is no such thing as an actual population number which is why the DEC does not release such a thing.

They get an accurate take number from cooperative hunters statewide (that is the OP here), using that and other survey methods they come up with population densities.

Then the local CTF determines the local priority factors and determine how many does should be culled (not based on buck/doe ratios or carrying capacity).

Then basically they have to multiply that number by 6.5 (since only 15% of dmps get filled) to hand out enough permits to actually take enough breeders.

The WMU breakdown will get released in some way or another soon, if nothing else the number of permits allocated per WMU divided by 6.5 tells you approximately how many does the CTF/DEC wants culled.

If you are really concerned call the DEC.

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Edited May 4, 2014 by Meat Manager