NY Deer Hunter Satisfaction Survey 2016

[Four Season Whitetail's]

we had 230 just at our branch

You may want to send some of your group to the big show! here is 1 members thoughts. The numbers have been dropping for years.

 

 

I appreciate what seems to be an honest and fair review.

 The QDMA does a terrible job in promoting the convention. There was almost no promotion on this forum, Facebook page or twitter account. I almost has the appearance of really not caring if members attend or not. 350 is a ridiculously low number. 

I personally thought this years list of speakers was very average. I can understand most vendors not participating.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

You may want to send some of your group to the big show! here is 1 members thoughts. The numbers have been dropping for years.

I appreciate what seems to be an honest and fair review.

The QDMA does a terrible job in promoting the convention. There was almost no promotion on this forum, Facebook page or twitter account. I almost has the appearance of really not caring if members attend or not. 350 is a ridiculously low number.

I personally thought this years list of speakers was very average. I can understand most vendors not participating.

I guess everyone has an opinion. I have only been involved for the last four years so I can't speak for prior to that first hand. In that time national membership is up. NY membership is up. NE membership is up. The number of NY branches is up. Our banquet has grown every year of the 4 since the branch was founded. National and branches have been putting on some great programs. So I guess I don't see what you assert.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I guess everyone has an opinion. I have only been involved for the last four years so I can't speak for prior to that first hand. In that time national membership is up. NY membership is up. NE membership is up. The number of NY branches is up. Our banquet has grown every year of the 4 since the branch was founded. National and branches have been putting on some great programs. So I guess I don't see what you assert.

All you have to do is read it, Look it up. 60,000 so called members and less than 400 show for the big dance in the last 4 years?  Yeah i guess thats what they call support.  

 

When your numbers are low and they go up some but are still low does not equal success!  Pretty Simple.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

All you have to do is read it, Look it up. 60,000 so called members and less than 400 show for the big dance in the last 4 years?  Yeah i guess thats what they call support.  

 

When your numbers are low and they go up some but are still low does not equal success!  Pretty Simple.

Heading to a National convention of any organization isn't cheap. Seeing a down trend in many national organizations. I think it is actually more realistic to look at the participation on a local level to gauge support. I like how NY is organized. New branches starting up (most notably, Chautauqua, Long Island, Cortland and Albany) and a State Advisory Council to coordinate efforts between branches. I like the efforts put forth on shoring up our poaching laws and hopes are for the same on the trespass laws. I think everyone would like to see positive changes in NY, but getting even a majority of hunters to agree what that is, is like trying to push a rope.  Say nothing about all thinking the same way. People goals and definition of success is to varied. I now we are never going to agree and you have ill feeling about the organization. I know I could never change that. I can say I think that the funds are used wisely, we try to make a positive impact and spread the word of the benefits of QDM. I know it will never be far enough for some, too far for others, but our hopes are to keep is moving and positive.  

[WNYBuckHunter]

You may want to send some of your group to the big show! here is 1 members thoughts. The numbers have been dropping for years.

 

 

I appreciate what seems to be an honest and fair review.

 The QDMA does a terrible job in promoting the convention. There was almost no promotion on this forum, Facebook page or twitter account. I almost has the appearance of really not caring if members attend or not. 350 is a ridiculously low number. 

I personally thought this years list of speakers was very average. I can understand most vendors not participating.

 

You need to stop taking comments on the QDMA forums as gospel.

 

The commenter might have been talking about one of the banquets at the convention, but what you fail to realize is that there are multiple banquets at the National Convention. Ive been to the Convention, in 2013, and I can assure you, 300 or 350 is way off base. You also have to remember that many more people attend the convention than the banquets themselves.

 

Youd know these things if you had any first hand knowledge of what you are talking about right now.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

You need to stop taking comments on the QDMA forums as gospel.

 

The commenter might have been talking about one of the banquets at the convention, but what you fail to realize is that there are multiple banquets at the National Convention. Ive been to the Convention, in 2013, and I can assure you, 300 or 350 is way off base. You also have to remember that many more people attend the convention than the banquets themselves.

 

Youd know these things if you had any first hand knowledge of what you are talking about right now.

Now listen man,,I know you drank the water and you believe but lets not say someone needs first hand knowledge about something.

 

Guys - I wrote a blog detailing my attendance to the latest national convention. It contains the good, bad, and ugly. I also included a short survey to see what it would take to get more attendance. 

QDMA openly admits that they need to make some improvements. I talked with Lindsay about it at length on Friday. Once I get some more responses on the survey, I'm going to submit all of the information to QDMA. Please take a moment and complete the survey if you would like to see improvements or would like to attend next year.

 

I appreciate what seems to be an honest and fair review.

I brought this up in another thread. The QDMA does a terrible job in promoting the convention. There was almost no promotion on this forum, Facebook page or twitter account. I almost has the appearance of really not caring if members attend or not. 350 is a ridiculously low number. 

I personally thought this years list of speakers was very average. I can understand most vendors not participating

 

Members maybe, but what about using the convention to promote and grow QDMA to non member hunters. I feel that most here on the forum have a true interest in what QDMA is trying to accomplish. The organization has a wealth of information, the more hunters that utilize it the better IMO. 

Recently there have been major conventions in the general area. QDMA had 350 people, NWTF had 40,000. There is certainly room for improvement

 

Wait. 350? What???

There were only 350 people at QDMA's National Convention????

WHAT THE????

That's not a National Convention of an organization 60,000+ strong. I am SHOCKED and had no idea. 

Weren't there something like 10,000 at the last one in Nashville??

 

 

From the looks of a great number of posts on these QDMA forums, there are quite a few QDMA members practicing TDM

 

So there are just a few posts from the site with naming names but it sure shows ya the truth coming from that site.  The Mod's would have it no other way.

 

Shall we go back a couple years and look at some numbers?   And who needs first hand knowledge!  Add some ice to that glass my friend!

[dbHunterNY]

All you have to do is read it, Look it up. 60,000 so called members and less than 400 show for the big dance in the last 4 years?  Yeah i guess thats what they call support.  

 

When your numbers are low and they go up some but are still low does not equal success!  Pretty Simple.

 

seems like I'm pretty late to this party.  how many people go to the national convention is a horrible way to gage it's support.  QDMA is pretty much comprised of grass roots volunteers.  Not all of us can afford or are allowed to take the time and spend the money to fly across the country side and attend such an event.  i work for someone else and only get so much time off for vacation.  if it's m-f I'm probably working.  when I'm not it's probably time with the family, hunting, or volunteering for the QDMA.  i don't work for free to push someone else's deer agenda and if i didn't think it would benefit and effect the deer on mine property and the community around it i wouldn't be doing it.  each branch around here in the NE is doing well.  branch I'm apart of seems to sell out around 240 seats every year with others wanting to go but didn't get a ticket soon enough.  we're just country folk with nothing fancy so we don't really have many options to hold more people.  if we did including 360 seats then we'd sell out then too.  we're only 4 counties in NY.  the country is big and i assure you this area don't embrace the idea of qdm as much as it should, especially compared to other areas of the US.  fads don't continue to grow for this long.

 

another thing is your constant subliminal comments trying to link QDMA and trophy management are blatantly obvious.  we both know it's just not the case.  they both differ at promoting healthy deer.  then again what you do sometimes doesn't.  a lot of big bucks die due to health reasons of pushing a big set of antlers on top of their heads.  so maybe they aren't even close to one another.  every hunter out there can appreciate a nice set of antlers even in areas with no qdm in place or a QDMA presence.  no reason to get things all twisted.  it's that simple.

...i'll get back to reading the rest of this thread i suppose.

 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

seems like I'm pretty late to this party.  how many people go to the national convention is a horrible way to gage it's support.  QDMA is pretty much comprised of grass roots volunteers.  Not all of us can afford or are allowed to take the time and spend the money to fly across the country side and attend such an event.  i work for someone else and only get so much time off for vacation.  if it's m-f I'm probably working.  when I'm not it's probably time with the family, hunting, or volunteering for the QDMA.  i don't work for free to push someone else's deer agenda and if i didn't think it would benefit and effect the deer on mine property and the community around it i wouldn't be doing it.  each branch around here in the NE is doing well.  branch I'm apart of seems to sell out around 240 seats every year with others wanting to go but didn't get a ticket soon enough.  we're just country folk with nothing fancy so we don't really have many options to hold more people.  if we did including 360 seats then we'd sell out then too.  we're only 4 counties in NY.  the country is big and i assure you this area don't embrace the idea of qdm as much as it should, especially compared to other areas of the US.  fads don't continue to grow for this long.

 

another thing is your constant subliminal comments trying to link QDMA and trophy management are blatantly obvious.  we both know it's just not the case.  they both differ at promoting healthy deer.  then again what you do sometimes doesn't.  a lot of big bucks die due to health reasons of pushing a big set of antlers on top of their heads.  so maybe they aren't even close to one another.  every hunter out there can appreciate a nice set of antlers even in areas with no qdm in place or a QDMA presence.  no reason to get things all twisted.  it's that simple.

...i'll get back to reading the rest of this thread i suppose.

 

Thats all sweet and well but to the point of this thread it was shown who supported what in Ny and elsewhere. talk to the Minnesota sportsmen about their past whitetail problems and the support the received from the group they paid their cash to support.

 

There is nothing subliminal about my comments, they are fact. They only difference in QDM and TDM is the mindset of the person doing it and 99.9% of people that do QDM do it to kill a trophy deer. They may take smaller if a bigger one does not show in time but they sure as hell dont go to sleep the night before opening day dreaming about killing that nice plump 11/2 year old spike buck.

 

That's a Fact.

[dbHunterNY]

Thats all sweet and well but to the point of this thread it was shown who supported what in Ny and elsewhere. talk to the Minnesota sportsmen about their past whitetail problems and the support the received from the group they paid their cash to support.

 

There is nothing subliminal about my comments, they are fact. They only difference in QDM and TDM is the mindset of the person doing it and 99.9% of people that do QDM do it to kill a trophy deer. They may take smaller if a bigger one does not show in time but they sure as hell dont go to sleep the night before opening day dreaming about killing that nice plump 11/2 year old spike buck.

 

That's a Fact.

 

listen cupcake we're not talking about what's sweet and well.  I've acknowledge people like deer with antlers.  it is a big draw for many.  i'm trying to only tell you the truth.  out of co-ops in this area that practice QDM across probably 50k or more acres I can think of a lot more than 0.1% that could care less about a trophy and frankly don't believe it's even achievable within the QDM based rules of the co-op alone.  the co-ops in this area are getting their guidance and resources from our local QDMA branch.  a lot of concepts are shared by QDM and TDM but they're definitely different in practice and end goal.  we've been over this.  fact might be fact in your world.  you don't have to believe facts some others tell you in here but you should.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

listen cupcake we're not talking about what's sweet and well.  I've acknowledge people like deer with antlers.  it is a big draw for many.  i'm trying to only tell you the truth.  out of co-ops in this area that practice QDM across probably 50k or more acres I can think of a lot more than 0.1% that could care less about a trophy and frankly don't believe it's even achievable within the QDM based rules of the co-op alone.  the co-ops in this area are getting their guidance and resources from our local QDMA branch.  a lot of concepts are shared by QDM and TDM but they're definitely different in practice and end goal.  we've been over this.  fact might be fact in your world.  you don't have to believe facts some others tell you in here but you should.

Yes Dear we are. Hunting in the real world today is all about the antler and only the antler.Co-op on the little 50k in the real scheme of things may be 0.1%. You can believe in anything you like but most every person that tries QDM has one goal in their mind and thats killing a trophy. You can call it QDM,TDM,CSA or anything else but it boils down to one thing at the end in most every hunters world. Getting the most inches possible.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Now listen man,,I know you drank the water and you believe but lets not say someone needs first hand knowledge about something.

 

Guys - I wrote a blog detailing my attendance to the latest national convention. It contains the good, bad, and ugly. I also included a short survey to see what it would take to get more attendance. 

QDMA openly admits that they need to make some improvements. I talked with Lindsay about it at length on Friday. Once I get some more responses on the survey, I'm going to submit all of the information to QDMA. Please take a moment and complete the survey if you would like to see improvements or would like to attend next year.

 

I appreciate what seems to be an honest and fair review.

I brought this up in another thread. The QDMA does a terrible job in promoting the convention. There was almost no promotion on this forum, Facebook page or twitter account. I almost has the appearance of really not caring if members attend or not. 350 is a ridiculously low number. 

I personally thought this years list of speakers was very average. I can understand most vendors not participating

 

Members maybe, but what about using the convention to promote and grow QDMA to non member hunters. I feel that most here on the forum have a true interest in what QDMA is trying to accomplish. The organization has a wealth of information, the more hunters that utilize it the better IMO. 

Recently there have been major conventions in the general area. QDMA had 350 people, NWTF had 40,000. There is certainly room for improvement

 

Wait. 350? What???

There were only 350 people at QDMA's National Convention????

WHAT THE????

That's not a National Convention of an organization 60,000+ strong. I am SHOCKED and had no idea. 

Weren't there something like 10,000 at the last one in Nashville??

 

 

From the looks of a great number of posts on these QDMA forums, there are quite a few QDMA members practicing TDM

 

So there are just a few posts from the site with naming names but it sure shows ya the truth coming from that site.  The Mod's would have it no other way.

 

Shall we go back a couple years and look at some numbers?   And who needs first hand knowledge!  Add some ice to that glass my friend!

 

Again, this guy saying there was 350 doesnt mean thats what there was. What convention is he speaking about? Is he talking about the whole event (which goes on for multiple days) or is he talking about a banquet, etc etc? If youre gonna throw numbers and accusations out there, come with details. After all, you are always asking for the same type of hard data to back up CWD info, are you not?

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Just in.

 

Participate Online or In-Person for an Update on New York's Deer Program and to Provide Input Meetings Scheduled for May 10 and May 12

New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) will host a webinar "New York Deer Management Update" the evenings of May 10 and May 12. Both nights will have the same content. Any member of the public can participate on either night by connecting online from the comfort of their own home or by joining DEC staff at locations throughout the state.

The webinar is designed to inform New York deer hunters and the general public about current issues in deer management and to set the stage for updating DEC's Management Plan for White-tailed Deer in New York State. DEC will provide an overview of the state's deer management program, outline progress on current deer program activities including a brief explanation of DEC's recent decision to encourage hunters to voluntarily pass up young bucks, and discuss current management priorities including urban-suburban deer over abundance, reducing deer impacts on forests, and other issues.

The presentation will be simulcast online and to a number of meeting venues where participants will have opportunity to meet their regional DEC deer biologist. After the presentation, DEC staff will be available online and in-person to answer questions and discuss public concerns about deer management.

For instructions about how to connect online, for the list of locations where the meetings will be hosted by DEC staff, and for updates on this process, see the 2016 Public Meetings on Deer Management webpage on DEC's website.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/press.html

[gjs4]

Whether they're liked or despised they're at least making some efforts- now if only the survey efforts were open to the general licensed public in its entirety.

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