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LET EM GROW Experienced

LET EM GROW

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Just watched this video, and i like it. Makes sense. Im going to the property after work quick today, to spread the rest of my Winter Rye before the rain tomorrow.. I might just spread it over as much of my clover plot as i can cover also.. I just mowed my Clover on Labor Day. So Ill see what it looks like this evening and make the call, and pull the card from that cam. 

 

I think i have done pretty good for the first full year of Maintaining my Clovers, with zero herbicides used.. instead of turning them under for a planting of Brassicas.. 

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fernnj Newbie

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Growalot,

You planning on trying the wheat as they suggest or rye?  I planted a clover/rye mix in 14' and clipped 2x per year with great results.  I haven't used any herbicide.  I spread 150 lbs of 6-24-24 per acre each spring per my crop supply recommendation.  I do have some patches of grass just coming up now.  I think I may try the wheat as they suggested.  My only fear is the turkeys picking it clean as I don't have a drill.  I wonder if a light discing would hurt the clover? Otherwise, maybe spread the seed and then another light clipping to cover the seeds a bit?

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wolc123 Grand Master

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I have been using wheat with new clover plots (planted Aug 15 - Sept 15) for quite a few years, because it is easier to find than rye, cheaper, and deer like it better.  The wheat provides a good hunting plot in the fall.  I never tried adding it to old clover plots, but it seems like a good idea.   When my old clover plots get weedy, I usually just plow them under shallow and put in corn.  The corn loves all that "free" nitrogen, which allows it to provide half-way decent yields with very little additional fertilizer.   I do have a few plots of old clover where I can not easily get a corn planter or plow into, so I may give the "wheat before rain" a try yet this fall.   Hopefully, my dad has not already fed the leftover wheat I gave him to his chickens.     

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LET EM GROW Experienced

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Initially I thought this idea was awesome. But the more I got to thinking about it. Of your clover plot is already well established. Adding another source or seed whether it's for food or not. Is just adding competition for nutrients and sunlight. I know it's used as a nurse crop for young clovers but, unless it doesn't effect the established clovers growth. I think I'd rather leave it be than add any grains into the mixture. Unless my plot was full of weeds, maybe spray the weeds and then spread rye or wheat..

I do always use wheat, rye or oats when establishing new clovers though

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Did you see this...It's a good tip from Grant Woods and makes sense...especially seeing select grass/weed killer is a no no now in NYS...enjoy:

http://www.growingdeer.tv/clips/#/field-day-bonus-clips-clover-food-plot-management

Select isn't a no no for everywhere. It's only banned down in the NYC Burroughs and that area.

Select even has special labels for NY and CA. Certainly legal in majority of NY.

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I use select hebicide. I know it's nasty stuff but I figured if the farmer on the other side of the fence sprays his 60 acre alphalfa field with it would be senseless for me to not use it on my 1/2. Plot I use arrest and slay and have great results but really mowing and  0-20-20 fertilizer really does a pretty good job. If weeds are taking over its probably because your clover is not healthy enough to out grow the competition.

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growalot Newbie

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Well I researched that ...and talked about it this spring on here.. Nearly every place I went to order had a restricted for sale to NYS on it...So I gave up...Let me know what and where you buy please..Thanks for that heads up...I was doing great with the weeds until 3 weeks ago......I have a crab grass problem....

Now as far as over seeding the clover...I think that's a great plan, though not for me right now with the turkeys ripping everything up...They have just torn through my woods like crazy little mulch turners and then started hitting the clover plots...in 3 days they have all of them not only looking like old man comb overs but literally flattened as well...If I were to add seed to that...thinking there wouldn't be anything left by Oct 1.

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I just bought arrest from wti and sent it to my home in bklyn ny  no problem ata all .Just a fyi on slay it kills good but the downside is some things cannot be planted after using it ,I was told by wti that it lasts 40 months before you should plant there.Needless to say I don't use it and hit any weed growth with round up and plant no plow to fill in dead areas .

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growalot Newbie

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That's what I did this spring  and the roundup worked great...In fact I tried killing a clover plot with roundup this spring and summer...hit it 2x's...the clover and the Burnett came right back...I then disced it in to plant turnips:rolleyes:..the clover and weeds I hadn't seen in 6yrs came back in the turnips...but I was past a rotation on the plot so I don't mind...It will go back to a alfalfa planting next year...I'm thinking I will do that and the field next to it in strips. Alfalfa, annuals, clover annuals, Alfalfa ,annuals next year...we will see

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wolc123 Grand Master

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I had not thought about the turkeys.  They have been hitting my new plots pretty hard, mostly picking out the soybeans (which I added to the wheat/clover mix), as they sprout.    They are leaving the wheat and clover alone for the most part.  We have had near perfect rainfall since planting those around Aug 15 so those plots are looking great this year.   I will get the wheat out quick on the old clover plots (dad has not fed it all to the chickens yet) before this Saturday's predicted rain.   Wheat always provides a much stronger hunting season attraction to deer for me than clover, so I have nothing to loose by giving it a try.   

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