Stuck in my old ways of thinking

[Doewhacker]

Virgil did you say you work for a hospital?

Yes.

As a patient?

Dave

Yes we all know there are jobs out there where you get paid to be a patient... :

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Virgil did you say you work for a hospital?

Yes.

As a patient?

Dave

  I get a check every time I go for experimental electroshock therapy...

Yes we all know there are jobs out there where you get paid to be a patient... :

[Doewhacker]

Here is a link to the actual bill, don't be to surprised when you don't see much of the end of the world stuff you hear from some on here.

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

Go ahead and look up the pages that vjp posted about back a few pages.

[Doewhacker]

Here is another link

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/a-final-weekend-of-whoppers/

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Obama and Bill Ayers served on the board of the Annenberg foundation, which funds Factcheck.org. 

[Doewhacker]

hahahaha

Is there a connection between FactCheck.org and Barack Obama or Bill Ayers?

None, aside from benefiting at different times from the charity of the late publisher Walter Annenberg. We are a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania and get funding from the Annenberg Foundation, created by Walter Annenberg in 1989. Ayers was one of three Chicago educators who applied for a grant from the Annenberg Foundation in 1995, which was one of 5,200 grants the foundation made during its first 15 years. That $49 million grant, plus additional funds raised locally, funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which sought to improve Chicago public schools. Obama was selected by Chicago officials (not Ayers) to chair the board set up to administer Annenberg Challenge funds, and he headed it until 1999. FactCheck.org came into being in late 2003. For other details see our Oct. 10, 2008, article about Obama and Ayers, which includes a sidebar: "FactCheck.org and the ‘Annenberg Challenge

[ELMER J. FUDD]

he still worked for that organization which is supposed to be unbiased, no?

[Doewhacker]

Well how could he work for them when they didn't exist until 4 years after he left the other orginization? There are plenty of things they bust him on their site too.

[virgil]

      Quote from: virgil on Today at 12:29:49 pm  <blockquote>Virgil did you say you work for a hospital?

Yes.

</blockquote>    As a patient?

Dave    Was that supposed to be clever?

[ELMER J. FUDD]

I actually would also like to know what you do Virgil. I'd also value your views because you should be "in the know".

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Well how could he work for them when they didn't exist until 4 years after he left the other orginization? There are plenty of things they bust him on their site too.

Fair enough. I do feel they side with him quite frequently. I have not researched this too much either though.

[virgil]

  I actually would also like to know what you do Virgil. I'd also value your views because you should be "in the know".    I'm the director of a clinical department that provides both inpatient and outpatient services.  Sorry, can't get too specific.

[Dave]

  I actually would also like to know what you do Virgil. I'd also value your views because you should be "in the know".    I'm the director of a clinical department that provides both inpatient and outpatient services.  Sorry, can't get too specific.

Is that the doorman at the hospital?

[virgil]

Is that the doorman at the hospital?

No.  But, if you're looking for a career boost, i can see if they have any openings down there.  What do you do for a living, smartass?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Is that the doorman at the hospital?

No.  But, if you're looking for a career boost, i can see if they have any openings down there.  What do you do for a living, smartass?

Virgil....come on...smile...."department providing inpatient and outpatient services"....."a doorman"....That was funny...come on admitt it....it was. That had Rodney Dangerfield written all over it

[Dave]

Is that the doorman at the hospital?

No.  But, if you're looking for a career boost, i can see if they have any openings down there.  What do you do for a living, smartass?

Virgil....come on...smile...."department providing inpatient and outpatient services"....."a doorman"....That was funny...come on admitt it....it was. That had Rodney Dangerfield written all over it

Thanks Culver I think that Virgil is just uptight fighting the battles of the world. I guess he has no sense of humor.

Dave

[Mr VJP]

This group is decidedly Leftist and if you trace their history of political affiliations, it is more than obvious.

The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge  “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.

Does the LEFT have no conscience at all?

[virgil]

This group is decidedly Leftist and if you trace their history of political affiliations, it is more than obvious.

That's probably true.  But, are they any more slanted to the left than all of your sources are to the right?  You can't expect to be taken seriously when you want to disregard someone else's propaganda while promoting your own as 'facts'. 

[Mr VJP]

I don't expect any leftist to take me seriously.  I don't expect they take any serious matter seriously.  Part of the leftist manifesto is complete denial of facts.

[Doewhacker]

Ok, well did you bother to look at the actual bill yet and find any of the evils you have claimed are in there?

[nyantler]

I have and they are all there if you look...

[Doewhacker]

I have and they are all there if you look...

Really.. you are full of crap...cut and paste the text where it validates the claims you fellas have made from the actual bill. I'll be waiting.

[Mr VJP]

The Department of Health and Human Services issued  another 126 waivers to ObamaCare this week, bringing the total number of  exemptions to 1,040. The exempted groups -- corporations, non-profits,  unions and other entities -- have been allowed to maintain their current  insurance schemes for at least one year because they have proven in  some fashion that ObamaCare's insurance mandates would cause financial  harm. Additionally, the state of Maine has received a three-year waiver  to opt out of the requirement that insurers spend at least 80 percent of  the premiums received on medical care. If ObamaCare is so well put  together, why the need for all these backdoor exits? One reason is that  they will no doubt be offered to unions and blue states in exchange for  political favors in 2012.

This new strategy of lenience in administering the  president's signature legislation is a subtle admission that ObamaCare  doesn't work as an insurance program -- but it becomes more evident  every day that it works just fine as a political payoff tool. The  administration's painfully slow march through the courts in defense of  the law struck down by Judge Roger Vinson  in January is another example of this admission. The administration  hopes that by stretching out the appeals process as long as possible,  they may be able to build up ObamaCare to such an extent that the  Supreme Court won't strike it down. They plan to do this by implementing  various aspects of the law with an automatic funding mechanism that has  effectively hidden $105 billion in the budget. As Nancy Pelosi said, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." Republicans are working to repeal this portion of the law.

[Mr VJP]

If one British health official has her way, the newest  casualties of that country's government-run health care system will be  its most helpless and vulnerable citizens. Dr. Daphne Austin, a National  Health Service (NHS) consultant who provides advice on health funding  allocation, is suggesting that babies born after only 23 weeks of  pregnancy or sooner be left to die. She claims doctors are "doing more  harm than good by resuscitating 23-weekers," that treatments have "very  marginal benefit," and that money would be better spent "providing  support to people who have much more lifelong chronic conditions."  Translated: lives have relative fiscal value, and 23-weekers come up  short.

Ironically, Austin actually suggests she's speaking for  the babies: "There's a lot of emphasis on the parents' views and what  they want. But somewhere in there, there needs to be an advocate for the  baby." If she's the best advocate these tiny lives have, heaven help  them. Yet that's what one gets in the zero-sum world of government  health care where "death panels" are alive and well. The objections  raised by government health care advocates at even the suggestion that  death panels will come to the U.S. are as meaningless as all leftist  denials throughout the decades. Should ObamaCare survive, Britain's  system foreshadows where we're headed.