Why it’s high time to make peace with crossbow hunting

[Four Season Whitetail's]

1 hour ago, Storm914 said:

You would think different if you hunted one of the popular state land parks used by hunters .

 

Not Really!  I share the land's of Letchworth State Park with hunters of both types of bows and see no issues. Really i still see less people carry Crossbows there than Compounds even though they have the choice. I use mine because i like it but try to recock one of those things in a Summit tree stand?  

They really are a pain in the a&& to use when you compare the two. Put a stand on your back and the issues climb.

[Hunter007]

24 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

You dont know me from a bag of beans, and apparently have no idea how I hunt.

FYI, this year was the first year I have ever used a crossbow to hunt. Ive been hunting with a compound for quite some time. I didnt even use a scope on any of my guns until about 12 years ago, and Ive been deer hunting for close to 30.

You sir, can go back to tasting windows. What flavor is it today? Purple?

sorry that was ment for someone else 

But look up Archer's paradox 

And you will see the difference between a arrow and a bolt 

But what ever if crossbows get in all archery so be it .

Not going to loose any sleep over it 

Shzz

If I new I was going to take this much crap over it  i would have not even said anything .

I'm done with this topic .

Sorry if you crossbow Enthusiast took it the wrong way.

I  sincerely was not trying to offend anybody .

 

 

 

[nyantler]

1 hour ago, Papist said:

It's simple math. XBows = more hunters in your woods chasing the same deer. Someone decried hunting as competition. Hunting is very much a competition between those who do it in a given area versus the deer inhabiting said area. Like I said, simple math. The odds of an individual, any individual, taking a deer with Compound or Xbow goes down when you add more active hunters to the equation.

My neighbors hunt aggressively,to the point of trespassing when they can. I embrace that reality. It makes me a better hunter out of necessity in terms of patterning, scouting and placing stands. I enjoy the challenge in fact. Not only am I trying to hunt mature deer, but I am trying to make that happen before anyone else. 

If a hunter is concerned about competition from other hunters then he is hunting for all the wrong reasons IMO

[Four Season Whitetail's]

4 minutes ago, nyantler said:

If a hunter is concerned about competition from other hunters then he is hunting for all the wrong reasons IMO

And need's to buy their own property, Lock it up tight and do their thing with it.

[nyantler]

1 hour ago, airedale said:

 

As a traditional bowhunter myself it has been pretty easy for me to figure out. Twenty five yards give or take a couple is where I have confidence putting an arrow into the kill zone. I have been shooting bows since the sixties and even with all the arrows shot down through the years twenty five yards is where my comfort level shooting at a deer is.

Now last fall I had the opportunity to fire a friend of mine's crossbow, he has the best of everything and it was all set to go sighted in with a scope that had something like a mil dot reticle for various ranges. I took three shots off hand at 30, 35 and 40 yards and hit the bullseye every time with zero practice. Just put the dot on target for the corresponding range and press the trigger Bingo!

Bottom line even with all of my years experience shooting a traditional bow, and by the way I do have and shoot compound bows but they are still shot with a glove and instinctive, there is no way I personally could ever shoot ranges that can be shot with a high end crossbow, the difference in accuracy for me is huge!

Al

So how does it personally interfere with your bowhunting experience? Most compound shooters have more range and accuracy than me after 20 yards, but it doesn't affect my bowhunting experience in the least.

[nyantler]

1 hour ago, Storm914 said:

You would think different if you hunted one of the popular state land parks used by hunters .

 

That has been an issue way before the introduction of crossbows... crossbows hasn't made it any worse. Believe it or not most crossbow hunters are compound hunters that like the idea of using a crossbow if they can... not all bowhunters are members of that "elite" self rightious group of bowhunters

[The_Field_Ager]

22 minutes ago, nyantler said:

If a hunter is concerned about competition from other hunters then he is hunting for all the wrong reasons IMO

That's just your opinion, like you said.

Competition in the woods is reality. You also missed the part where I said I enjoy it. Am I not allowed to enjoy my hunting?

[The_Field_Ager]

23 minutes ago, nyantler said:

So how does it personally interfere with your bowhunting experience?

Its the increased numbers, not the implement. Simple math.  The implement is irrelevant 

I was at the processors this year during Bow. A very large increase in harvest due to xbow. This is what the operator of the facility told me.  Its all good tho. Just makes us need to up our game. All part of the fun

Edited November 27, 2017 by Papist

[nyantler]

5 minutes ago, Papist said:

That's just your opinion, like you said.

Competition in the woods is reality. You also missed the part where I said I enjoy it. Am I not allowed to enjoy my hunting?

Competition from other hunter may be your reality... not mine.

[The_Field_Ager]

2 minutes ago, nyantler said:

Competition from other hunter may be your reality... not mine.

Am I not allowed to enjoy my hunting based on your  subjective standards?

[nyantler]

4 minutes ago, Papist said:

Its the increased numbers, not the implement. Simple math.  The implement is irrelevant 

I was at the processors this year during Bow. A very large increase in harvest due to xbow. This is what the operator of the facility told me.  Its all good tho. Just makes us need to up our game. All part of the fun

Then your math assumes that every crossbow hunter is a new hunter that didn't bow hunt before.. that is simply not the case. The increase in new hunters state wide is so small that new hunters per any given area would be minimal

[nyantler]

4 minutes ago, Papist said:

Am I not allowed to enjoy my hunting based on your  subjective standards?

Sure... and I acknowledged that you view hunting as a competition... What is the problem?

 

[The_Field_Ager]

6 minutes ago, nyantler said:

Then your math assumes that every crossbow hunter is a new hunter that didn't bow hunt before.. that is simply not the case. The increase in new hunters state wide is so small that new hunters per any given area would be minimal

If you are trying to argue that xbow hasn't brought  or won't bring new hunters into archery season, I have some beachfront property in Montana you might also be interested in.  Just one or 2 new hunters on my land borders can and has dramatically effected deer movement in recent years. Its all good tho. It  keeps me on my toes. Competition rocks.

 

Edited November 27, 2017 by Papist

[nyantler]

12 minutes ago, Papist said:

Its the increased numbers, not the implement. Simple math.  The implement is irrelevant 

I was at the processors this year during Bow. A very large increase in harvest due to xbow. This is what the operator of the facility told me.  Its all good tho. Just makes us need to up our game. All part of the fun

Then if the implement is not the issue ... you would be against ANY new compound or trad bow hunters being introduced into the archery season?

 

[The_Field_Ager]

7 minutes ago, nyantler said:

 The increase in new hunters state wide is so small that new hunters per any given area would be minimal

Its far too soon to be making such definitive claims. And going forward, common sense tells us more archers will go afield.

[nyantler]

3 minutes ago, Papist said:

If you are trying to argue that xbow hasn't brought  or won't bring new hunters into archery season, I have some beachfront property in Montana you might also be interested in.  Just one or 2 new hunters n my land borders can and has dramatically effected deer movement in recent years. Its all good tho. It  keeps me on my toes. Competition rocks.

 

I have said nothing of the sort.. just that the numbers are negligible. My point was that I hasn't impacted my hunting experience as a trad bow hunter.. you are the one that turned it into a competition.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

2 minutes ago, nyantler said:

Then if the implement is not the issue ... you would be against ANY new compound or trad bow hunters being introduced into the archery season?

 

Errr...wut? I'm not against anything. Just pointing out the realities of change. Change is fine. Just adapt and don't whine is my advice.

[The_Field_Ager]

1 minute ago, nyantler said:

I have said nothing of the sort.. just that the numbers are negligible. 

 

Far too soon for this kind of talk. Get back to us in 5-8 years

[The_Field_Ager]

2 minutes ago, nyantler said:

 you are the one that turned it into a competition.

 

Competition is fine...unless you are millennial. In which case it is the end of the world as we know it.

[nyantler]

3 minutes ago, Papist said:

Errr...wut? I'm not against anything. Just pointing out the realities of change. Change is fine. Just adapt and don't whine is my advice.

So you've been arguing a point that gets you back to exactly what I said in the first place? What a waste of time.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

2 minutes ago, nyantler said:

So you've been arguing a point that gets you back to exactly what I said in the first place? What a waste of time.

 

No, you said nothing has changed, inferring that this will be the experience for all the nay-sayers. This is untrue and unrealistic. Change is coming, embrace it and adapt is my argument 

Edited November 27, 2017 by Papist

[nyantler]

4 minutes ago, Papist said:

No, you said nothing has changed, inferring that this will be the experience for all the nay-sayers. This is untrue and unrealistic. Change is coming, embrace it and adapt is my argument 

This is what you commented on originally

"As a traditional bow hunter I haven't been able to figure out how having crossbow hunters in the woods is a disadvantage to me. I'm pretty sure the deer don't consciously choose to walk in front of just crossbow hunters and by-pass all the other bow hunters."

Nothing about change there that I can see... Really the only thing we've gotten to here is that you view hunting as a competition with other hunters, and that in the end you agree that we just need to adapt and go on... with an awful lot of nonsense posts in between. And, like an idiot I fell for it!

[Five Seasons]

15 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

You must hang around some shitty folks. Yeah I have run into a few bad apples over the years but this pandemic of poaching, unethical gun hunters just doesn’t exist in the levels that are portrayed. I know guys that hunt opening weekend of gun and that is it. They are the sit in the woods and see what happens types. No care about wind, scent or anything. I just do not agree and never will that the bow season would be overrun with the billy bob rednecks you are so scared of

hunt a little public land or read the news. Heck my boss in florida was joking with me today that when she heard about the hunter who shot the woman she was glad it wasn't me. 

[Five Seasons]

3 hours ago, nyantler said:

As a traditional bow hunter I haven't been able to figure out how having crossbow hunters in the woods is a disadvantage to me. I'm pretty sure the deer don't consciously choose to walk in front of just crossbow hunters and by-pass all the other bow hunters.

one walks at 45 and he's dead with a crossbow and not with a compound.

3 hours ago, Papist said:

It's simple math. XBows = more hunters in your woods chasing the same deer. Someone decried hunting as competition. Hunting is very much a competition between those who do it in a given area versus the deer inhabiting said area. Like I said, simple math. The odds of an individual, any individual, taking a deer with Compound or Xbow goes down when you add more active hunters to the equation.

My neighbors hunt aggressively,to the point of trespassing when they can. I embrace that reality. It makes me a better hunter out of necessity in terms of patterning, scouting and placing stands. I enjoy the challenge in fact. Not only am I trying to hunt mature deer, but I am trying to make that happen before anyone else. 

agreed.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

16 minutes ago, Belo said:

hunt a little public land or read the news. 

I have hunted lots of Public land in the years I have hunted. I see the instances that get reported as well. I still stick to the fact that it isn't all that bad out there. heck you listen to some of you guys you would think people are gettign mowed down in every public parcel and no one should ever hunt them. Statistically I don't believe it can be  supported.