savage 10ml

[rock]

any one else shoot one of these muzzle loaders

[sbuff]

I have,but not smokelss out of it.

Steve

[rock]

what do you use

[sbuff]

BH209 and T7 loose and pellets.Both worked very good.There are horror stories out there about the Savage,but I think if the directions are followed it is a great gun.

Steve

[rock]

i have about 700 shots through mine with smokeless . stick with bh209 if you dont want to use smokeless

[Screwbolts]

Love the Savage ML10II, in our family we have 5, I believe.  I helped a neighbor build a ML10 from a 110 action that was a 223 Rem and a take off Ml10II barrel. Modules and Breach Plugs are still available from Savage.

  We use both IMR SR 4759 and AC XMR5744 in our smokeless guns.  I prefer 4759. I hunt with a mild 30 or 33 gr. of 4759, this is the equivalent to 85 or 105 gr V of BH209. I look for 1500 to 1750 FPS from the loads. I have personaly used over 2200 Win 209 primers in my Smokeless guns. I buy Harvester SB Sabots  by the case from Graf and sons. I intent to have a another Stainless 700ML converted to Smokeless before this season rolls around, for my personal enjoyment :-) .

I personally don't own a ML10, in any form, but I have built 3 of my own smokeless guns currently hunting with a gun I built  on a Remington #5 Rolling Block action.  26" 50 cal 1 X24 Stainless barrel, recessed the vent liner in the Breach plug, use Savage type vent liners that I drill myself.

I personally IMHO have no use for store bought Bullets in any of my Muzzleloaders, I cast everything from .226 47 gr Hornet Boolitz to 500 gr .514 WFN, I have 2 molds specifically for sabots, both are smooth sided slightly Bevel based Boolitz,  first was the LBT 333 gr .452 LFN double cavity, next was the BRP products 5 cavity 300 grain FN.  all My saboted Boolitz are cast of WWs and water dropped for hard cast minimum expansion.

Long live the Cast Boolit and Let the Meplat work.

Ken

Central NY

[bubba]

I cast a 44 .429 round nose bullet for my muzzleloaders.  I use harvestor crush rib sabots with great success. I cast a little softer than you, but have had great success.

[Bernie P.]

I've  thought about getting one from time to time because I hate all the cleanup that goes with BP and the subs but my TC Omega just shoots so damn good I find it hard to give it up.

[rock]

i use to shoot a 45cal omega loved it shot great but my savage shoot better no messy clean up i will never go back

[bubba]

the smell the mess and the fun is what it is about. Just buy a modern smokeless rifle if you want to shoot it. 

[Bernie P.]

the smell the mess and the fun is what it is about. Just buy a modern smokeless rifle if you want to shoot it.

I love the big ole cloud'o smoke  !

[erussell]

Not trying to start any fights just trying to get some info out. A couple of interesting articles written by one of the guys who helped sell the idea of the smokeless powder guns to savage. If you own one you should read it. Once again not trying to start a fight, but the article lets you know what to look for to find out if your gun may explode someday. There not saying the design is bad just some of the modifications savage has made to cut costs are bad ideas.

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Opinions.html

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert.html

[SteveB]

He had none of those opinions or problems until Savage decided not to redo his contract at a hefty increase. Then mysteriuosly his rifle blew. If you look at the pics he posted, there is no way someone had their cheek on the stock when that blew without some serious injury. There have been more then a few that believe this situation was too convenient for him. Add that to the fact he has never allowed inspection of that gun.

[sits in trees]

didn't read the whole thread but yes i own one and it's the best damn muzzle loader in the world, i can out shoot any T/C, or any other muzzle loader with it, and yea i use smokeless in mine.

[Zhe Wiz]

Not trying to start any fights just trying to get some info out. .

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Opinions.html

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert.html

OH PLEASE, not this misinformation AGAIN??  After reading the BS from a pissed off ex-employee, how about some facts?

http://randywakeman.com/HowToBlowUpASavage10ML.htm

Yes, I own one, and yes, I love it.  The thing is built like a tank!  If you want the best tool for harvesting deer during ml season, get the Savage smokeless.  Its safe, its easy to clean and it shoots great.  If you like smoke and cleaning more than shooting, get something else.  Its that simple. 

Zhe Wiz