Is this really stand your ground law in Florida?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

11 minutes ago, CoffeeBoy said:

Who said Martin was legally justified in attacking Zimmerman? Not me.

Zimmerman took a chance in following Martin (a chance, I believe, he would not have taken it he hadn't been armed)

Martin took a chance in jumping Zimmerman. Martin lost.

Their paths never should have crossed that night. And if Zimmerman had called the cops and backed off, as he was told to, nothing would have happened

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i didn't say you or anyone did. Was merely pointing out who took the first illegal action in the chain of events.  

[Rattler]

Let's clarify a few things here. 

Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch volunteer on duty at the time.  That is a fact. 

He saw Martin in the area acting suspicious, appear like he was casing residences.  That is a fact. 

He called the cops and they told him they would respond and he could back off at that point.  He DID back off at that point.  That is a fact. 

Martin had seen him following him and when Zimmerman backed off, Martin went after him.  That is a fact. 

Martin attacked him.  Martin made Zimmerman feel he was going to be killed.  Zimmerman had every legal right to shoot Martin at that point.  Those are the facts that were presented in court and found Zimmerman not guilty.

Those were the facts the court found based on the evidence.  Anyone who runs any other story about the incident is not dealing with the facts.  My question is the same.  Why?

Simple logic should tell you if Zimmerman had done anything to provoke Martin, he would have been guilty of manslaughter at the least.  There was a tremendous amount of pressure on the court to find Zimmerman guilty for politically expedient purposes and fear of riots.  Finding him not guilty, in spite of all the pressure to lock him up, is proof he didn't do anything wrong.  

BTW, everything presented in Bill Whittle's video are facts as well.  Calling them propaganda is proof the viewer is in denial.

[Rattler]

Anticipating a request for proof of the facts, here they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

[CoffeeBoy]

Someone is in denial. Fact

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[diplomat019]

How many of you guys have been in a fight and lost?   Did you pull a gun and shoot that person?  Zimmerman started a fight then started getting beat so he shot a kid.  He is a low life and his actions post trayvon martin have cemented that.  

Like it was said.  Their paths should have never crossed that night but That kid was murdered. 

 

 

What makes trayvon martin a POS?  The kid did nothing but defend himself when he saw some guy creeping on him at night.    Im sure most of us have faught for a lot less than that

[Culvercreek hunt club]

58 minutes ago, diplomat019 said:

What makes trayvon martin a POS?  The kid did nothing but defend himself when he saw some guy creeping on him at night.    Im sure most of us have faught for a lot less than that

Defend himself? I must have missed the part where Zimmerman hit him first or drew his gun first or pulled a knife first.  

[diplomat019]

1 hour ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

Defend himself? I must have missed the part where Zimmerman hit him first or drew his gun first or pulled a knife first.  

Zimmerman initiated this by following him.      Not the other way around.  Trayvon felt threatened and attacked him which was deserved. If someone was following me down an alley i would defend myself. You would to.  And Zimmerman is such a big pussy that he couldn’t handle a legit fist fight and decided to shoot him.  This guy gives men a bad name.  

[Hunter007]

1 hour ago, diplomat019 said:

Zimmerman initiated this by following him.      Not the other way around.  Trayvon felt threatened and attacked him which was deserved. If someone was following me down an alley i would defend myself. You would to.  And Zimmerman is such a big pussy that he couldn’t handle a legit fist fight and decided to shoot him.  This guy gives men a bad name.  

Dont know what happen but the jury found him innocent. 

Means what you saw from the media was probably wrong  .

Not the first time .

 

[Dinsdale]

Holy time warp.....thought the forum software got messed up.

 

 

[Rattler]

I baffles me why anyone would adhere to the anti-gun, repeal stand your ground laws, leftist fantasy narrative of what happened that night.  For one thing, you cannot attack someone who is following you.  That is a crime.  Unless someone is an imminent threat to you, you cannot claim self defense. 

Second, a man on duty as a neighborhood watch agent has every right to follow you, and even question you.  If that hurts your feelings that is just tough for you.  

If you assault someone, then climb on top of them to bash their skull in, to the point that person thinks he may pass out and then be killed, you may be legally shot in self defense.

Those on here who think Martin wasn't a POS when his entire criminal background is out there for all to see, are supporting the oppressive anti-gun, leftist agenda this case was trumped up to exploit.

Concealed carry and stand your ground laws should be repealed.

Those of you on Martin's side might want to examine why you want to be used as a tool of gun rights banners.

Some people form an opinion they will never reverse because their ego won't allow it.  When it becomes obvious those on the opposite side of the debate have lost all ability to reason, it's a waste of time to continue the discussion.  Leftist propaganda is proving to be a formidable foe.  God help the USA.

[ADK Native]

Call the police when you see someone doing criminal acts including blocking handicap parking areas.  Why waste your time talking to criminals?

 https://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897

If Trayvon Martin was in fear of his life when being followed by George Zimmerman, why did he not call the police even though he had time to call his girlfriend instead of the police before he then reportedly assaulted Zimmerman?  

Why did not Martin run to a open business or move to an area populated with people to call for the police? 

Was Martin trying to bait Zimmerman into a more secluded location to assault him which he ultimately did? 

[CoffeeBoy]

When it becomes obvious those on the opposite side of the debate have lost all ability to reason, it's a waste of time to continue the discussion. 


Yup

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[Hunter007]

2 hours ago, Wilderness said:

Call the police when you see someone doing criminal acts including blocking handicap parking areas.  Why waste your time talking to criminals?

 https://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897

If Trayvon Martin was in fear of his life when being followed by George Zimmerman, why did he not call the police even though he had time to call his girlfriend instead of the police before he then reportedly assaulted Zimmerman?  

Why did not Martin run to a open business or move to an area populated with people to call for the police? 

Was Martin trying to bait Zimmerman into a more secluded location to assault him which he ultimately did? 

Jury found him innocent. 

Sounds  like you want mob justice. 

Media had a aganda what you saw and heard was just the parts that help that aganda. 

We see the same thing day after day with trump  for example Hillary gets 150 million from Russia. 

Trump gets $0  money from Russia but who is getting investigated?   And what does the media cover. Cant find any  proof of that ok we will just infastagtion every person trump ever new .

including the porn stars he banged from 10 years ago. 

And that's the lead story for weeks. 

I could go on but you get my point .

They manipulate  the news to what ever they want, you to  think  . Dont be a sheepal 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by Storm914

[ADK Native]

15 hours ago, Storm914 said:

Jury found him innocent. 

Sounds  like you want mob justice. 

Media had a aganda what you saw and heard was just the parts that help that aganda. 

We see the same thing day after day with trump  for example Hillary gets 150 million from Russia. 

Trump gets $0  money from Russia but who is getting investigated?   And what does the media cover. Cant find any  proof of that ok we will just infastagtion every person trump ever new .

including the porn stars he banged from 10 years ago. 

And that's the lead story for weeks. 

I could go on but you get my point .

They manipulate  the news to what ever they want, you to  think  . Dont be a sheepal 

 

 

 

 

 

So what do you do if you see someone commit a criminal act like blocking a handicap parking location?  I would NOT make contact with a low life which has no regard for denying access to a handicap person.  I would contact law enforcement and let them deal with criminals.

I referenced a liberal news source that reported how Trayvon Martin only called his girlfriend, NOT law enforcement, and how he did NOT take evasive and proper defensive actions proving the Trayvon Martin did not fear for his life.  I fashioned my comments in the form of a question like the late great liberal Mario Cuomo!  But you did get my points?

"Sounds like you want mob justice"???????????  Please explain that ridiculous  statement with evidence.

Lastly, where did you get Hillary, Russia, Trump and prostitutes from my comment?  I though we were discussing stand your ground or more appropriately steed justified self defense shooting?

[Hunter007]

4 hours ago, Wilderness said:

So what do you do if you see someone commit a criminal act like blocking a handicap parking location?  I would NOT make contact with a low life which has no regard for denying access to a handicap person.  I would contact law enforcement and let them deal with criminals.

I referenced a liberal news source that reported how Trayvon Martin only called his girlfriend, NOT law enforcement, and how he did NOT take evasive and proper defensive actions proving the Trayvon Martin did not fear for his life.  I fashioned my comments in the form of a question like the late great liberal Mario Cuomo!  But you did get my points?

"Sounds like you want mob justice"???????????  Please explain that ridiculous  statement with evidence.

Lastly, where did you get Hillary, Russia, Trump and prostitutes from my comment?  I though we were discussing stand your ground or more appropriately steed justified self defense shooting?

In political years Democratic politician asked there media  friends  to cover only storys that they can use to get out there base .

Is what I'm talking about .

Zimmerman did call the cops before he approached him .

But they never tell you that in the media  or that  tavon  was no saint .

 

The jury found him innocent  .

Except it.  What you  wants sounds like 

Mob rule when you do what the mob wants with out knowing all the facts or having a trial. 

Edited August 29, 2018 by Storm914

[Dinsdale]

Tip; don't break check and jump out of your truck saying you have a gun or maybe last thing you do. Girl friend made out best in this one. Thank you Darwin.

 

https://q13fox.com/2018/08/30/you-know-i-got-a-pistol-the-man-yelled-so-the-uber-driver-shot-him/